Would you, right now, trade TT for Deshaun Watson?

[Rochesterfan]

Assuming there's no dead money.

 

I think you have to take Watson's potential to be more than a middling to mediocre starter over a middling to mediocre starter.

 

I would not trade the two - they are too similar in my mind. The advantage would be cap savings and control, but you have a potential at a QB that could be worse.

 

To me Watson was a draft option to grow under TT, but I would not want Watson without TT on the roster.

 

I am not sure any of the top QBs will be more than low to mid-level QBs from this draft - so if I was going to trade TT give me a more polished pocket passer not Watson.

[JM57]

Yes. His floor is basically Tyrod Taylor, and at half the price.

[Bill_with_it]

Yes. His floor is basically Tyrod Taylor, and at half the price.

So your saying his floor iscto lead a top ten scoring offense, historically low turnover rate, and a 89.7 rating?

[JM57]

So your saying his floor iscto lead a top ten scoring offense, historically low turnover rate, and a 89.7 rating?

Oh you're one of those guys. Yes, his floor is probably "average starting QB" unless he's got issues with the mental side of the game and can't grasp a playbook.

[ALF]

Watching Sammy's highlights , Taylor was connecting amazing passes into tight double coverage.

 

I want to see one healthy year for both and hope Dawkins can be the solid RT.

[jeffismagic]

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Post-Draft survey show most teams had Watson as the #3 QB on their boards, a couple even lower than that. No one, including Hou, had him #1.

 

https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/859051986599247872

[Jasovon]

Watson is this year's Jimmy clausen. He will be garbage and may never start a game.

[Buffaloed in Pa]

Couldn`t we just have drafted him ?

[BarleyNY]

Yes. His floor is basically Tyrod Taylor, and at half the price.

Watson' floor could be much lower than Tyrod's - and I'm not a big Taylor fan. He's a serviceable bridge QB. We don't know what Watson is yet, but I don't like his weak arm or lack of accuracy. The OP's guidelines were not to consider draft capital spent or cap consequences in the comparison, but if you do - and you did - then no way do I take Watson. I wouldn't have touched him anywhere close to 10. Sure, his contract would be lower, but it'll also be guaranteed for 4 seasons and we wouldn't have two first round and one third round pick to spend on other players. NFW do I take Watson in the realistic scenario.

[jeffismagic]

Watson' floor could be much lower than Tyrod's - and I'm not a big Taylor fan. He's a serviceable bridge QB. We don't know what Watson is yet, but I don't like his weak arm or lack of accuracy. The OP's guidelines were not to consider draft capital spent or cap consequences in the comparison, but if you do - and you did - then no way do I take Watson. I wouldn't have touched him anywhere close to 10. Sure, his contract would be lower, but it'll also be guaranteed for 4 seasons and we wouldn't have two first round and one third round pick to spend on other players. NFW do I take Watson in the realistic scenario.

 

That's why you trade Tyrod to get more picks.

 

Trade Tyrod for Deshaun Watson.

 

Trade Deshaun Watson for equivalent of 2 1st round picks.

 

Trade a 5th next year for Foles or Siemian to start.

 

You start a comparable QB to Tyrod and get 2 1st round picks! Winning.

[dbflaBill]

I dont get the hate for TT. He has done enough with the offense the last 2 years for them to be good enough to make the playoffs. The sole reason the Bills didnt make it is because of the defense, not because of TT.

[BILLiever55]

With two firsts next year in a better QB class, no. If tyrod clicks this year, awesome. If not, we package our firsts and move up for QB. If we had Watson, good or bad, we'd be invested.

 

Basically what I'm getting at

 

2018 QB draft class > Watson

[C.Biscuit97]

I back my judgment on Deshaun. I believe he has a very good chance to be a Franchise quarterback. So yes, I would. Doesn't mean I hate Tyrod... just means I think he is already at his ceiling.

Tyrod hater!!!

 

And I agree. Tyrod is the 2nd best Bills qb in the last 10 years (I think Fitz was slightly better because he was asked to win games and had way less talent). But like with Fitz, you are limited. And limited gives you false hope and you end up constantly spinning your wheels.

 

Watson may very well be worse than Taylor. But he also could be better. And if Mahomes or Watson ends up being franchise qbs, it could be a very bad trade.

With two firsts next year in a better QB class, no. If tyrod clicks this year, awesome. If not, we package our firsts and move up for QB. If we had Watson, good or bad, we'd be invested.

 

Basically what I'm getting at

 

2018 QB draft class > Watson

1) next years qb class is always better. Remember when Jake Locker or Matt Leinart were going to be the number 1 pick but returned to college?

 

2) if the class is as good as everyone says, why would a bad team not pick the top qbs? Maybe we can trade up and get the next Losman!

Edited May 4, 2017 by C.Biscuit97

[Kirby Jackson]

The reason that I answered "I don't know" is because I don't know who the Bills are. If they are set on reaching the playoffs, it is Tyrod. If they are hitting the reset it is Watson.

[Bangarang]

I dont get the hate for TT. He has done enough with the offense the last 2 years for them to be good enough to make the playoffs. The sole reason the Bills didnt make it is because of the defense, not because of TT.

Tyrod is absolutely part of the reason why we didn't make the playoffs.

 

People just don't think he's good enough to be a long term option and there's certainly enough proof to make that a valid opinion.

Edited May 4, 2017 by Bangarang

[DJB]

Yes because we knkw what TT is. Watson could be a franchise guy and im willing to gamble on that

[dbflaBill]

Yes because we knkw what TT is. Watson could be a franchise guy and im willing to gamble on that

lets just keep changing coaches and QBs every 2-3 years, that seems to work.

[hondo in seattle]

Without critiquing Watson's game, I think about it in a probabilistic way.

 

Given the low success rate of 1st round QBs, the chances that Watson ends up better than TT are slim.

 

Chasing after longshots is more likely to make the Bills worse, not better.

Edited May 4, 2017 by hondo in seattle

[JohnC]

The reason that I answered "I don't know" is because I don't know who the Bills are. If they are set on reaching the playoffs, it is Tyrod. If they are hitting the reset it is Watson.

The Bills are not a playoff roster with or without TT. They simply are too thin from a starting roster standpoint but more importantly are very thin with their reserve staffing. The gambling community at this premature juncture are pegging the Bills to be a six win team. No one is arguing that they are a final authority on anything. But they are outside eyes who have no stake in this franchise other than from a gambling and business perspective. So they have no incentive to over or under rate this team.

 

My view of what McDermott is going to do is cull this roster and get rid of a lot of players associated with the Whaley regime. He will steadily be bringing in players who better suit his profile of player. Players such as Dareus and Henderson will either demonstrate a commitment to the game and a serious work ethic or will be sent packing.

 

There is no quick fix. The organization is going to be completely overhauled with the authority going through the wrestling HC. It's going to take at least three years to stabilize this very unstable franchise. As far as I am concerned the Pegulas set this franchise back by years and made Whaley's job impossible because of the moronic Rex hire. Now they are attempting to rectify much of what they created.

[jeffismagic]

The Bills are not a playoff roster with or without TT. They simply are too thin from a starting roster standpoint but more importantly are very thin with their reserve staffing. The gambling community at this premature juncture are pegging the Bills to be a six win team. No one is arguing that they are a final authority on anything. But they are outside eyes who have no stake in this franchise other than from a gambling and business perspective. So they have no incentive to over or under rate this team.

 

My view of what McDermott is going to do is cull this roster and get rid of a lot of players associated with the Whaley regime. He will steadily be bringing in players who better suit his profile of player. Players such as Dareus and Henderson will either demonstrate a commitment to the game and a serious work ethic or will be sent packing.

 

There is no quick fix. The organization is going to be completely overhauled with the authority going through the wrestling HC. It's going to take at least three years to stabilize this very unstable franchise. As far as I am concerned the Pegulas set this franchise back by years and made Whaley's job impossible because of the moronic Rex hire. Now they are attempting to rectify much of what they created.

 

And does anyone expect the Pegulas to give Sean three years if he wins only 12 games and loses 20 over the next 2 years? Based on recent history I would say no.