nickrage Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Get a wr. Get a cb. Get Kelly. Fill out the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Look at some of the scouting reports on Tyrod Taylor or many of the later round draft picks that despite claims went on to become NFL starters. The best QB to ever play the game in my humble opinion was a late round draft choice. They get it wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Huh? Our plan of using our top pick on a DB every other year has given us an annual playoff berth. Oh wait..nm. Of course, we could go with the safe pick...the pass rushing DE who's a day one starter... The last 2 No. 1's used on that position have produced a combined 2 sacks and 21 tackles in 3 seasons. These so called "safe" and "fill-a-need" picks haven't gotten us very far. If there is a QB they think has a good chance of being a franchise QB, even if he sits for a year or 2..I have no problem with taking him at 10. the problem is there's going to be a typical crew that will B word about the bills not taking a qb in the first. we talk about safe picks, but it's just as awful when you reach for a position of need. if the bills think there's a qb at 10 they want...i'm all for it. but if they decide to pass in the first round on some guys, it's likely they don't think the value or worth is there, not that they don't need to upgrade the qb position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 There are 6 teams ahead of us either without a franchise QB or one that will need replaced soon due to age - Cleveland, SF, Jax, Chargers, Chicago, Jets. If any of the supposed 1st rd QBs are there at 10 its a sign they aren't top 10 worthy, or the Bills are smarter than those 6 teams. I don't care if they draft one of them but reaching is bad No its not, this is the stupidest thing in terms of the NFL Draft. Guy gets drafted "Oh hes a reach" I had him pegged for a 2nd rd pick not a first. What the F(*_^ is the difference, if he can play, he can play. the NFL Draft is complete SH** and nobody knows a damn thing about any of the prospects. You may think you know but you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 And the Bills' recent draft history shows no matter what we do in the first round any move is considered a whiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 there are also teams on that list who guessed right and made it to Super Bowls because of it I bet those teams are still angry that they "reached" for that QB..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 I bet those teams are still angry that they "reached" for that QB.....maybe they didn't reach? They may have had them graded there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 maybe they didn't reach? They may have had them graded there. i think people are all over the place with the idea of reach vs safe pick, etc. teams have to establish a board and follow it. if there's a qb they like, snag him. people just can't get locked into the idea that if a qb isn't taken in the first, it's the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat Richie Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 i think people are all over the place with the idea of reach vs safe pick, etc. teams have to establish a board and follow it. if there's a qb they like, snag him. people just can't get locked into the idea that if a qb isn't taken in the first, it's the end of the world. That's what fans do. That's why they remain fans and never turn into GMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) No its not, this is the stupidest thing in terms of the NFL Draft. Guy gets drafted "Oh hes a reach" I had him pegged for a 2nd rd pick not a first. What the F(*_^ is the difference, if he can play, he can play. the NFL Draft is complete SH** and nobody knows a damn thing about any of the prospects. You may think you know but you don't. i don't have anyone pegged anywhere, not sure what you mean. If a team has a QB graded as a 1st rd pick then sure take him there. If they don't and they grade him as a 2nd round pick, don't take him in the 1st just because he's a QB. That's when it's considered a reach. Edited April 18, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 i don't have anyone pegged anywhere, not sure what you mean. If a team has a QB graded as a 1st rd pick then sure take him there. If they don't and they grade him as a 2nd round pick, don't take him in the 1st just because he's a QB. That's when it's considered a reach. Didnt mean you**** Just in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Pretty certain QBs taken in any round are more likely to fail than succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 If Derek Carr was taken in the top 10, he'd still be good. Reaching is fine, within reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I hate small sample sizes - the results can be very misleading. I'm pretty sure if you look back at the past 40 years, more good QBs come out of the first round than the second, and more come from the early rounds than the later rounds. The odds get progressively longer the deeper you go into the draft. But even the first round doesn't product sure-fire-hits. You're odds aren't good in the first round but they are better than the later rounds. Hopefully we have good scouts who know what to look for to maximize our chances - but we have no particular reason to believe that. Our college scouting has not been stellar under Whaley. My take is that we should draft a QB every other year until we score a hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 Didnt mean you**** Just in general. ok I know a lot of people here actually do have grades and such on players ... that's why I thought you meant my own grades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) Around here we call them busts after playing the 4th quarter of game 17, with an interim HC in his 1st game True. One "fan" has already labeled Cardale a failure because has not progressed as rapidly as his "contemporaries" (i.e., Russell Wilson, Kurt Cousins, etc) and someone else said he obviously sucks because he didn't start his rookie year. Until a guy gets a meaningful opportunity to play, you don't know what he can do. We are now going into year three of Tyrod Taylor and the team is still not sure what they've got. (I know many will argue that point.) That's why "drafting a QB every year" is a bad idea. Edited April 18, 2017 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat Richie Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Is it they team they go to or where they were drafted that makes the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 The jury is still out on some guy's on that list, but success rate is between 40% to 50%. Probably higher than all other rounds combined. Not sure if that means anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Agents Take: Recent draft history shows first-round QBs are more likely to fail http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-recent-draft-history-shows-first-round-qbs-are-more-likely-to-fail/ I kind of feel as though it's a misleading article. It's a fact that QB drafted in the first round are more likely to fail than to succeed, but the same is true of QB drafted in any round - and the odds are higher for success in the first round. If you go up to 2013, which I think is fair given that QB may need a few years to be evaluated, I count 7/18 success or about 40%. The odds are even lower if you look at QB selected 2 - 4th round It's also a fact that draft picks in general, even in the first round, have similar odds of success: less than even-steven So overall I'm not quite sure what the author's point is? You need to take shots, just don't expect more than half your shots to be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills14 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Every time I see threads like this I think about all of the mock drafts that had us picking Nassib at 12. Thank God we didn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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