YoloinOhio Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Agents Take: Recent draft history shows first-round QBs are more likely to fail http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-recent-draft-history-shows-first-round-qbs-are-more-likely-to-fail/ Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. NFL executives making decisions about first-round draft choices should heed this warning particularly when there isn't a strong group of quarterbacks available like this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mij yllek Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 completely agree, but if some team is stupid enough to trade up to the #10 spot to grab a QB we should accommodate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 It's a mystery to me why teams don't get this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 There are 6 teams ahead of us either without a franchise QB or one that will need replaced soon due to age - Cleveland, SF, Jax, Chargers, Chicago, Jets. If any of the supposed 1st rd QBs are there at 10 its a sign they aren't top 10 worthy, or the Bills are smarter than those 6 teams. I don't care if they draft one of them but reaching is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Joke article. Wentz/Goff were not transcendent prospects compared to Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 with the 'You gotta have a great QB to compete consistently' mantra that drives the NFL, if you're a Have-Not, you HAVE to try. Every team lacking a great QB does this; has scouts at every game of a college QB they 'think' might be the guy, visit with the player, run him through paces to see how quickly he grasps situations, all the research at their disposal -which is significant. Still, it's always a crap shoot. Will he turn out to be Ryan Leaf/Jamarcus Russell? Will he suffer an early career injury that does him in ala Greg Cook? Will he not be able to grasp the speed of the pro game? Sure, there's far more failures than successes, but you just can't stop looking until the player leads the team to playoffs. Russell Wilson and Dak Prescott are classic examples of players that possessed the goods but were thought to be projects. There's no other explanation than 'ya never know..' Keep trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Most qbs drafted will fail. It's laughable how people try to pretend like they know anything about scouting qbs. That said and I know everyone hates him, but a guy like EJ might have had a better chance if he went later in the draft to a better team. One of the best things that happened to Tyrod is getting drafted in the 6th and playing for Baltimore. A lot less pressure to develop. But the main problem with the Bills is they have no plan. Once they played EJ, he should have gotten 2 years to play through the struggles. If they draft a guy and don't want him to play right away, then let him sit. It's why now is the perfect time to draft a qb. No pressure to play right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBud420 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 So let's not try and live with mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 So let's not try and live with mediocrity. you can still try, but it doesn't have to be a reach in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBud420 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 you can still try, but it doesn't have to be a reach in the first round. Ok...but probably 8 of the top 10 qbs were 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) Most qbs drafted will fail. It's laughable how people try to pretend like they know anything about scouting qbs. That said and I know everyone hates him, but a guy like EJ might have had a better chance if he went later in the draft to a better team. One of the best things that happened to Tyrod is getting drafted in the 6th and playing for Baltimore. A lot less pressure to develop. But the main problem with the Bills is they have no plan. Once they played EJ, he should have gotten 2 years to play through the struggles. If they draft a guy and don't want him to play right away, then let him sit. It's why now is the perfect time to draft a qb. No pressure to play right away. i agree. Unfortunately recent history also shows that QBs who sit before the play don't succeed either. There has been only one QB drafted since 2006 who sat at least on year and developed into what looks like a franchise QB: Kurt Cousins. So if you think history is likely to predict the future, don't take a QB in the first (if he's not graded there) and sit him behind the starter for any length of time. Draft a QB where he's graded (don't reach) and play him right away for best odds. Another interesting article: Why picking a QB in the 2017 NFL draft is an even bigger gamble than usual Look at the numbers, and its clear these prospects arent anywhere near sure things. http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2017/4/18/15239558/2017-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-mitch-trubisky-deshaun-watson Edited April 18, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 there are also teams on that list who guessed right and made it to Super Bowls because of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) you can still try, but it doesn't have to be a reach in the first round. Starting NFL QB is the most important position in all of sports. It’s also the hardest one to find. Rare is the Andrew Luck “you know for sure” perfect scenario. So taking a QB in the first round is a leap of faith that you must eventually take or you will never be anything more than a blip on the NFL radar. You will forever be NFL wallpaper. The importance of the position is to monumental too ignore year after year. The article is a broad brush one which is empty and meaningless to a team without a QB like the Bills. There are only so many people on the planet that have the incredible arm and the drive to compete that Mahomes has, or who did what Watson did to the Bama defense two years in a row. These guys aren’t the chumps the media has made them out to be. Either one meets the requirements of becoming possible franchise QBs on those conditions alone, and thus worthy of the #10 pick overall to the Bills IMO. Edited April 18, 2017 by 1billsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 One reason why Whaley might push for a QB in the 1st rd, per Jay Skurski: job security http://buffalonews.com/2017/04/18/one-reason-doug-whaley-might-push-first-round-quarterback/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 So let's not try and live with mediocrity. Huh? Our plan of using our top pick on a DB every other year has given us an annual playoff berth. Oh wait..nm. Of course, we could go with the safe pick...the pass rushing DE who's a day one starter... The last 2 No. 1's used on that position have produced a combined 2 sacks and 21 tackles in 3 seasons. These so called "safe" and "fill-a-need" picks haven't gotten us very far. If there is a QB they think has a good chance of being a franchise QB, even if he sits for a year or 2..I have no problem with taking him at 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Draft a QB in the 6th round. Recent history would suggest that QB's drafted in the 6th round are more likely to win their division, the AFC, and the Super Bowl than other draft round QB's. The Bills have their 6th round QB so the titles should start rolling in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) Draft a QB in the 6th round. Recent history would suggest that QB's drafted in the 6th round are more likely to win their division, the AFC, and the Super Bowl than other draft round QB's. The Bills have their 6th round QB so the titles should start rolling in. i assume this is a joke but one never knows with this board. Just in case... Brady isn't "recent" and his success as a 6th rd pick isn't a trend that has been replicated, it's the exception. Edited April 18, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 i agree. Unfortunately recent history also shows that QBs who sit before the play don't succeed either. There has been only one QB drafted since 2006 who sat at least on year and developed into what looks like a franchise QB: Kurt Cousins. So if you think history is likely to predict the future, don't take a QB in the first (if he's not graded there) and sit him behind the starter for any length of time. Draft a QB where he's graded (don't reach) and play him right away for best odds. Another interesting article: Why picking a QB in the 2017 NFL draft is an even bigger gamble than usual http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2017/4/18/15239558/2017-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-mitch-trubisky-deshaun-watson Agreed but look at some of the best qbs in the NFL: Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben, Palmer. These guys all sat. Media and the fans have more access to be annoying. We love calling qbs busts after start one. History says most qbs benefit from learning from a veteran qb and not being rushed on the field. Unfortunately, there is no patience anymore. I am 100% in favor of drafting a qb high this year and letting them start on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Peterman threw 47td to 15int in a similar climate to Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Agreed but look at some of the best qbs in the NFL: Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben, Palmer. These guys all sat. Media and the fans have more access to be annoying. We love calling qbs busts after start one. History says most qbs benefit from learning from a veteran qb and not being rushed on the field. Unfortunately, there is no patience anymore. I am 100% in favor of drafting a qb high this year and letting them start on the bench. Around here we call them busts after playing the 4th quarter of game 17, with an interim HC in his 1st game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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