Kirby Jackson Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I think he has more holes than a lot of Bills fans want to admit. He was a 2nd round pick that Tennessee was fine to let walk for nothing. He had a "pro bowl" season for us and we were fine letting him test the market. His elite skill is speed. Given the way football is going, LBs are getting smaller and faster. They are different players but was ZB's impact last year better than Preston Brown's rookie year? I might argue that PB had a bigger impact but it is debatable. But given the cost of PB being a 3rd round rookie and ZB might cost to re-sign, there's no comparison. Let him walk. I think that you need both. Lorax is a situational pass rusher IMO. PB at SLB, Ragland at MLB. ZB at WLB. In McDermott's system it is imperative that you have speed at LB. if you can get ZB for $4M for example it is a no brainer IMO. That player will have A LOT of coverage responsibilities. Zach is a better fit in this defense than the system they played last year. There are other options like trade a 5th or 6th for Kendricks. You can try to sign Gerald Hodges for cheap. There other options as well but Zach Brown is a really good fit in this defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I think that you need both. Lorax is a situational pass rusher IMO. PB at SLB, Ragland at MLB. ZB at WLB. In McDermott's system it is imperative that you have speed at LB. if you can get ZB for $4M for example it is a no brainer IMO. That player will have A LOT of coverage responsibilities. Zach is a better fit in this defense than the system they played last year. There are other options like trade a 5th or 6th for Kendricks. You can try to sign Gerald Hodges for cheap. There other options as well but Zach Brown is a really good fit in this defense. I just get the feeling like 4 mill isnt gonna do it.....Zach Brown is really weighing those options hoping someone throws in a free chicken dinner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Whenever you break up with a girl, always remember there's a younger, hotter version out there. I want the younger, cheaper, potentially better version of ZB. Haason Reddick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) I think that you need both. Lorax is a situational pass rusher IMO. PB at SLB, Ragland at MLB. ZB at WLB. In McDermott's system it is imperative that you have speed at LB. if you can get ZB for $4M for example it is a no brainer IMO. That player will have A LOT of coverage responsibilities. Zach is a better fit in this defense than the system they played last year. There are other options like trade a 5th or 6th for Kendricks. You can try to sign Gerald Hodges for cheap. There other options as well but Zach Brown is a really good fit in this defense. I just can't shake the fact that Brown has looked outright soft at times year (for a football player). I suspect other team see that as well. His best stat is tackles, which is a pretty worthless stat when you get shredded on the ground. I'd trade a 6th for Kendricks in a heartbeat. He would be motivate to prove himself. And ZB's effort wasn't consistent in a contract year. I could see him mailing it in if he got a multi year contract. JMO. Edited March 26, 2017 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I just get the feeling like 4 mill isnt gonna do it.....Zach Brown is really weighing those options hoping someone throws in a free chicken dinnerI'm not sure that $4M gets it done either. I am more talking to the "he's no good let him walk" crowd. He's a really good fit in McDermott's defense. He has1 elite skill and it happens to be a very important skill for the role that he would play with the Bills. If we still employed Rex's system I would be less inclined to sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Haason Reddick? I generally don't want a 1st round LB unless they are a special MLB (Luke or Willis) or a stud pass rusher. I just feel like if your d line sucks, it doesn't matter who your LBs are. But Reddick is growing on me. And if it was between a hungry rookie like HR or a vet making $3 million more who has effort questions like ZB, give me the rookie all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I generally don't want a 1st round LB unless they are a special MLB (Luke or Willis) or a stud pass rusher. I just feel like if your d line sucks, it doesn't matter who your LBs are. But Reddick is growing on me. And if it was between a hungry rookie like HR or a vet making $3 million more who has effort questions like ZB, give me the rookie all day. at the end of the day......since McD appears to be running the show....this might be a real possibility Just wish we had that one more impact offensive playmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy McFiddish Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 After seeing the lack of interest by other teams to this point he should come back at what we offer and prove himself to everyone. I cannot wait to see Reggie this year, I really feel like he is going to be very special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 hope he signs with someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 @borsilli Update on Zach Brown: Still setting up more visits. Looks like this will take some more time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I'm kinda over Zac Brown...plenty of talent that fit our scheme in the draft at a cheaper rate...if memory serves, Brown wasn't very good in the 4-3 D when he played for the Titans anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Breaking news. Zach Brown wont sign until this thread hits 50 pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Does Coach McD lose authority/power over Zach (and possibly other players) because of having to "bargin" with player? It is one thing to bargin for money BUT a whole nother thing telling a coach where and when you will play. Why do you think ZB is trying to "bargain" for a different role on the Bills? It seems to me he was told what his role would be, he said "no", and he moved on. Not any different than a player preferring to sign with a team where he has the opportunity to start. As for the money he was offered by the Bills, we have no clue. All we know is he fired his agent and hired a new one. If an offer was still on the table, his new agent would be a fool not to have his client sit down with the Bills at least once more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Why do you think ZB is trying to "bargain" for a different role on the Bills? It seems to me he was told what his role would be, he said "no", and he moved on. Not any different than a player preferring to sign with a team where he has the opportunity to start. As for the money he was offered by the Bills, we have no clue. All we know is he fired his agent and hired a new one. If an offer was still on the table, his new agent would be a fool not to have his client sit down with the Bills at least once more. Zach says "NO THANKS" to the role offered and walks away. It is obvious he feels strongly about NOT PLAYING that ROLE. But somehow (last resort) his new agent convinces him to take the money in B-Lo. Do you REALLY want a guy here who has said publically several times that he does NOT want to play here, to come here just for the money? If he comes back to "negotiate" again, will McD have to promise to play him differently to get him to sign? To me, that is a NO WIN situation for the BILLS. ZB might have talent but he does not want to "spend it here". Either we get a player with a bad attitude or we have a player that pulled a powerplay on the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I'm kinda over Zac Brown...plenty of talent that fit our scheme in the draft at a cheaper rate...if memory serves, Brown wasn't very good in the 4-3 D when he played for the Titans anyway... He was PFFs highest rated LB in coverage against TEs his last year in Tennessee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 He was PFFs highest rated LB in coverage against TEs his last year in Tennessee. Why wouldn't they want to resign him then? when we signed him, word was he was an underachiever in Tenn...when the D-line is attacking he couldn't shed blocks and make plays...however when they d-line is eating up blockers, like it did under Rex he was able to roam and make plays...however, in the new D our line is going to be attacking again...imo, I'm thinking perhaps it won't be the best fit for him and that's why McD said his role might not be what Brown wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Right. So you provide highlights of him covering college recievers. Right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Why wouldn't they want to resign him then? when we signed him, word was he was an underachiever in Tenn...when the D-line is attacking he couldn't shed blocks and make plays...however when they d-line is eating up blockers, like it did under Rex he was able to roam and make plays...however, in the new D our line is going to be attacking again...imo, I'm thinking perhaps it won't be the best fit for him and that's why McD said his role might not be what Brown wants.they do want to re-sign him. So you provide highlights of him covering college recievers. Rightwhat else is there? His HS highlight film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) I want to keep Zach , but if he does not fit McD system then he is gone. Going from 3-4 to 4-3 once again is a beach. Edited March 27, 2017 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) they do want to re-sign him. what else is there? His HS highlight film? I know they gave him an offer, but supposedly Brown doesn't like the role he will be playing under McD...so it appears they want to resign him, but in a reduced role Edited March 27, 2017 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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