Estro Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) If I asked you if signing guys like Vladimir Ducasse, Jordan Poyer & a Fulback was worth forgoing a 3rd round pick and a 4th round pick in next years draft would any smart GM say yes? Serious question, because that's what the Bills have done. You need to have a net loss of UFA's to lock in comp. picks the Bills have failed to do this. As of now, they have gained one more UFA than they've lost and they don't have many of their own UFA's left to be signed elsewhere. For a team that's no where near ready to compete for championships, to be blowing free draft picks to sign what amounts to depth players is asinine. http://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/ There are many ways to work the comp. pick system, something teams ike the Ravens, Patriots and Packers seem to do every yr., yet the Bills are still totally lost. You can use trades, pickup guys that are cut, sign guys post June 1. The NFL has put in place a system that compensates and rewards teams for losing good FA's. This year that happens to be Gilmore (3rd rounder) and Wood (4th rounder), but instead of taking advantage of this system the Bills were in a big rush to sign K's, FB's and backup OL that have essentially cost them those 2 solid draft picks. Now that comp. picks can be traded, they are even more valuable, IMO, which makes this error on the Bills part even more infuriating. Another important and often forgotten part of this is that you can fill in holes on your roster with these comp. picks for very low rookie salaries. So say you use the 3rd and 4th round comp. picks on a FB & an OL instead of Vlad Ducasse and Patrick Dimarco. So, instead of paying veteran FA's $2-$3M per year you pay guys close to the vet min. of 600-700k. That's a significant savings that can be reallocated to other areas of need on the roster. For those that want to make the argument that the rookie pleyers may suck compared to the vets that were brought in via FA......fair point: But, my counter tot hat would be to just keep guys like Felton and Corey Graham then & still pick up the free 3rd and 4th round comp. picks. This is one small aspect to roster building and player management, but it's an important one. And it's one that many of the consistently good teams have figured out how to maneuver......and one the Bills still continually EFF UP. Edited March 12, 2017 by Estro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroi Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) Is this similar to losing non divisional games helping our playoff chances? Imo Edited March 11, 2017 by Leroi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 This is nothing new and just shows the stupidity of letting Gilmore walk without a plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Really, the comp pick thing again? This is so stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Borgia Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 This is nothing new and just shows the stupidity of letting Gilmore walk without a plan Did you have a plan ready to go, in the event that Gilmore walked? If so, did you present this plan to the Pegulas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Not sure if this is serious but I'll bite. The comp picks aren't determined two days into FA. There are Bills UFAs who will be signing elsewhere yet didn't fit into the first wave and will factor into the formula. The comp picks aren't set for many months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 We have lost 4 and signed 3, so we should still get a 3rd rounder. Assuming Brown and Hunter sign we should get our 4th rounder even if we sign another guy. Saying that I think we will have a lot more signings so we probably won't get a compensatory pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I don't think we've talked about comp picks enough. Let's do it some more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 We have lost 4 and signed 3, so we should still get a 3rd rounder. Assuming Brown and Hunter sign we should get our 4th rounder even if we sign another guy. Saying that I think we will have a lot more signings so we probably won't get a compensatory pick. We gained 5. Click the link. Not sure if this is serious but I'll bite. The comp picks aren't determined two days into FA. There are Bills UFAs who will be signing elsewhere yet didn't fit into the first wave and will factor into the formula. The comp picks aren't set for many months. While that's true, we are still going to be signing UFAs as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 DILLIGAF Jesus H... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 We still have like 15 ufa who can sign with other teams, this doom and gloom is getting ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 lol I also wish the bills didn't get depth or participate in free agency for late round draft picks in 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 The comp pick formula is not a simple formula - playing time, contract and honors all factor into it among other things. If you lose brady and sign a fullback, it doesn't affect your comp picks. Also, who cares about '18 comp picks in spring '17. Not exactly a burning issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) The comp pick formula is not a simple formula - playing time, contract and honors all factor into it among other things. If you lose brady and sign a fullback, it doesn't affect your comp picks. Not true. You have to have a net loss of UFA's for it to come into play. Losing Brady and signing an FB would net you max a 7th. Edited March 12, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 If I asked you if signing guys like Vladimir Ducasse, Jordan Poyer & a Fulback was worth forgoing a 3rd round pick and a 4th round pick in next years draft would any smart GM say yes? Serious question, because that's what the Bills have done. You need to have a net loss of UFA's to lock in comp. picks the Bills have failed to do this. As of now, they have gained one more UFA than they've lost and they don't have many of their own UFA's left to be signed elsewhere. For a team that's no where near ready to compete for championships, to be blowing free draft picks to sign what amounts to depth players is asinine. http://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/ There are many ways to work the comp. pick system, something teams ike the Ravens, Patriots and Packers seem to do every yr., yet the Bills are still totally lost. You can use trades, pickup guys that are cut, sign guys post June 1. The NFL has put in place a system that compensates and rewards teams for losing good FA's. This year that happens to be Gilmore (3rd rounder) and Wood (4th rounder), but instead of taking advantage of this system the Bills were in a big rush to sign K's, FB's and backup OL that have essentially cost them those 2 solid draft picks. Now that comp. picks can be traded, they are even more valuable, IMO, which makes this error on the Bills part even more infuriating. Another important and often forgotten part of this is that you can fill in holes on your roster with these comp. picks for very low rookie salaries. So say you use the 3rd and 4th round comp. picks on a FB & an OL instead of Vlad Ducasse and Patrick Dimarco. So, instead of paying veteran FA's $2-$3M per year you pay guys close to the vet min. of 600-700k. That's a significant savings that can be reallocated to other areas of need on the roster. For those that want to make the argument that the rookie pleyers may suck compared to the vets that were brought in via FA......fair point: But, my counter tot hat would be to just keep guys like Felton and Corey Graham then & still pick up the free 3rd and 4th round comp. picks. This is one small aspect to roster building and player management, but it's an important one. And it's one that many of the consistently good teams have figured out how to maneuver......and one the Bills still continually EFF UP. So you wanted them to tank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 So is a team supposed to sign their own free agents to retain talent/continuity or let them walk to get comp picks? The answer is different every year dependent upon circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 You can't lose what you don't yet have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Not sure if this is serious but I'll bite. The comp picks aren't determined two days into FA. There are Bills UFAs who will be signing elsewhere yet didn't fit into the first wave and will factor into the formula. The comp picks aren't set for many months. But screaming into the ether after 47 hours seems entirely more Billsy as an approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Did you have a plan ready to go, in the event that Gilmore walked? If so, did you present this plan to the Pegulas?yes. They said they liked it in fact and even paid me a consultant fee. It was a out $3.50. I graciously accepted and stood up to shake their hand but the I realized he was a giant lochness monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Is this similar to losing non divisional games helping our playoff chances? Imo Oh those are still classics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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