OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 ...so the Combine news was all about praising Watson's accuracy and crispness....yet he's low man on the velocity totem pole....now what?............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Can a QB throw the long out from the far hash on time. Period. Anything under 50 is concerning, there are no two ways about it. For all the talk about poor mechanics in QBs, Watson has issues of his own in that regard and I wonder if his fastball score is related to that. I suspect this will be a focus leading up to his pro day next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 It seems to correlate to height for what it's worth. I guess there's some stock in it yet wouldn't use as a be all to end all stat to focus on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Can a QB throw the long out from the far hash on time. Period. Anything under 50 is concerning, there are no two ways about it. For all the talk about poor mechanics in QBs, Watson has issues of his own in that regard and I wonder if his fastball score is related to that. I suspect this will be a focus leading up to his pro day next week. It's also why I think Mahomes mechanics gets too much criticism. He has such a ridiculous arm that he can fire the ball faster than guys stepping in to their throws textbook while Mahomes is throwing off his back foot. Cardale Jones threw the ball 53 MPH from his knees. That is scary that a QB stepping into his throws can't hit that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) Throwing too hard and not hard enough means your chance at success are low. throwing somewhere in the middle is good. Not a strong indicator therefore. What were Brady and Mannings (either one) speeds? There have been plenty of qbs with rocket arms who succeeded - elway and favre, to name two. Stafford has a rocket, but didn't throw at the combine. Interesting fact about stafford: he was clayton kershaw's catcher for years in youth travel baseball. Edited March 11, 2017 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 There have been plenty of qbs with rocket arms who succeeded - elway and favre, to name two. Stafford has a rocket, but didn't throw at the combine. Interesting fact about stafford: he was clayton kershaw's catcher for years in youth travel baseball. ...not sure if Watson's velocity should be a concern in WNY's mecca of weather, Buffalo.....Modrak downgraded Matt "Hot Tub Boy" Leinart to a 3rd because of arm in Bflo's weather.....then again, Clemson's weather versus USC's may be more unpredictable (I think)........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 The bullpen comparison is terrible. A pitcher isn't graded on his warm ups, he's graded on pitching live or in a game simulation where he would warm up and then pitch as if he was in a real game. His velocity in those two situations should be the same. What's most concerning about a low velocity at the Combine is that there's no reason a QBs mechanics shouldn't be as perfect as that QB is currently capable of. The more common problem is a great velocity at the Combine where there is no pass rush or distraction due to reading a defense/calling audibles/etc., but seeing a worse velocity in game situations due to a player's mechanics breaking down. What is the point of zipping the ball against no defenders? Nobody is gonna tip or intercept the ball. Colt McCoy having the same combine velocity as Joe Flacco tells me all I need to know about the usefulness of measuring combine velocity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 What is the point of zipping the ball against no defenders? Nobody is gonna tip or intercept the ball. Colt McCoy having the same combine velocity as Joe Flacco tells me all I need to know about the usefulness of measuring combine velocity. ....thought so bud......QB velocity has about as much critical reference as 40 times......FAR more important intangibles to key in on during assessment versus newsworthy attention getters.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloSol Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Guess who threw 60 mph on our team...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) Think of the bright side; there is no play in football that is quite as exciting as a pick 6 and at 49 mph, well ... Edited March 11, 2017 by hemma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 But how big are his hands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Not reading this entire thread to see if it's been answered yet so....... ........who knows how this is measured? I do, just curious if anyone else does, since you're all experts on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Tyrod's was 50mph at the combine IIRC, didn't he have a shoulder injury at the time though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Guess who threw 60 mph on our team...... ....Marangi???..OR...was it Hamdan???.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Wouldn't touch any of these QB's with a 5000000 foot pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Not reading this entire thread to see if it's been answered yet so....... ........who knows how this is measured? I do, just curious if anyone else does, since you're all experts on it. I think they use a radar gun at the combine, right? The combine doesn't use the computer chip in the ball like (I believe) they do for those sports science segments, do they? I thought those computer chips measured the velocity like 3-4mph higher than the radar guns do or something like that... I'm not sure though... I'm no expert, that much I do know. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Wouldn't touch any of these QB's with a 5000000 foot pole.Thanks. Another highly insightful observation. And as usual, supported by compelling evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 I think they use a radar gun at the combine, right? The combine doesn't use the computer chip in the ball like (I believe) they do for those sports science segments, do they? I thought those computer chips measured the velocity like 3-4mph higher than the radar guns do or something like that... I'm not sure though... I'm no expert, that much I do know. lol Well, yeah, you're right about what you said. It's done by radar. There is also a margin for error with both measurements, I believe. More of what I was getting at was that it's not a terminal velocity measurement or a release point one. It's measured at 30 yards so it's only a sign of what velocity they generate at a certain fixed point. Not every throw is travelling that far in the air so it's not really a damning thing in itself. It can be for deep passing but it's not exactly a death nail measurement and arm strength can be worked on through physical and technical maturation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Not reading this entire thread to see if it's been answered yet so....... ........who knows how this is measured? I do, just curious if anyone else does, since you're all experts on it. Radar gun. In baseball here in the states the game is really all about the speed of the ball.........the speed of incoming pitches......the speed of batted balls........that sport is all about reaction times. Don't they do that in cricket? I'd figure they would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Well, yeah, you're right about what you said. It's done by radar. There is also a margin for error with both measurements, I believe. More of what I was getting at was that it's not a terminal velocity measurement or a release point one. It's measured at 30 yards so it's only a sign of what velocity they generate at a certain fixed point. Not every throw is travelling that far in the air so it's not really a damning thing in itself. It can be for deep passing but it's not exactly a death nail measurement and arm strength can be worked on through physical and technical maturation. Maybe so, but the numbers still tell a pretty bleak story for the sub-54 MPH group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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