4BillsintheBurgh Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 How did Tyrod "Developing" Under a probowl QB on a team that went to and won a superbowl work out? Just draft the kid and play him. Developing is different when you are working off game tape every week instead of watching the starter play, and is hindered to some degree by changing offenses. Keep TT starting, cardale backing up and draft a guy in the 2nd or later if the value is there. TT runs the risk of getting injured anyway and cardale will get some game reps if that happens to determine if he can do it or not. If he can we're good, if he can't we'll get a higher draft pick. My only concern with that is the difference in styles between tt and cj, so I might be tempted to bring in a veteran if dumping tt or rookie if dumping cj that come closer in style so there is a more seemless transition to the backup qb. Not a requirement, but I think Dennison would prefer to rework the offense as little as possible in case of injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 But who cares? He'd be under contract and he'd have every opportunity to still prove he should be the guy. Most importantly, he'd eat up a LOT of cap space. We have two choices - cut TT and draft a QB or run with TT and hope we can patch together a playoff roster this year. We are really tight on cap space once TT is signed. It is impacting other positions already (see Gilly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 That would really undermine Tyrod. It'd be a clear indication that he's just an expensive bridge and it'd make it known that he is not in the team's long term plans. It'd be better to just find a cheaper bridge QB and draft away at the position. This is not an unimportant aspect to the entire concept of the "bridge QB." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskibreth Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 That would really undermine Tyrod. It'd be a clear indication that he's just an expensive bridge and it'd make it known that he is not in the team's long term plans. It'd be better to just find a cheaper bridge QB and draft away at the position. Who cares?! Maybe it pushes him to get better, and if he doesn't he knows his jobs on the line. Nothing brings out performance better than a little heat under the butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Developing is different when you are working off game tape every week instead of watching the starter play, and is hindered to some degree by changing offenses. Keep TT starting, cardale backing up and draft a guy in the 2nd or later if the value is there. TT runs the risk of getting injured anyway and cardale will get some game reps if that happens to determine if he can do it or not. If he can we're good, if he can't we'll get a higher draft pick. My only concern with that is the difference in styles between tt and cj, so I might be tempted to bring in a veteran if dumping tt or rookie if dumping cj that come closer in style so there is a more seemless transition to the backup qb. Not a requirement, but I think Dennison would prefer to rework the offense as little as possible in case of injury. I don't think the money is the biggest "expense" of keeping TT. I think it is the draftpick you can't afford to spend on a QB because of being so tight to the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) Welcome to the merger (jk bbmb people) Is that why there are so many new people? Did it shut down or something? I thought people were just excited about the upcoming deadline haha. Edit: Nevermind, I just looked closer at a few of the other topics. Weird. Edited March 3, 2017 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I don't think the money is the biggest "expense" of keeping TT. I think it is the draftpick you can't afford to spend on a QB because of being so tight to the cap. The rookie wage scale has eliminated that concern entirely. Even for teams with less cap room to spend. That said, it is perfectly reasonable for the Bills to think that the dollars earmarked for TT might be better used elsewhere if the determination is made that keeping TT doesn't have enough long range up side and those dollars could be better used to make a more dramatic improvement elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I don't think the money is the biggest "expense" of keeping TT. I think it is the draftpick you can't afford to spend on a QB because of being so tight to the cap. Did you mean to reply to Barley instead of me? I didn't mention expense. It's not a concern for me with regard to tt, I think the numbers are manageable if we want to commit to him for 2-3 years. Which I think we should, until we find someone better. We need to give Mac daddy something to work with to turn the culture around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Money IS the issue here with keeping TT! You don't pay a "bridge QB" $15 million per season... Once you determine that TT is not "the guy" you need to move on... Draft one of the top 4 QB's mentioned in the draft, whichever one you think stands the best chance of success... bring in a cheap vet to hold the seat warm while the rookie adjusts to the NFL game... or if Whaley thinks AJ McCarron might be the answer trade for him... This presumes that the Bills front office knows a good young QB when they see one (I have my doubts about that part but hey...) The money you save can go to rebuilding other parts of this team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 That would really undermine Tyrod. It'd be a clear indication that he's just an expensive bridge and it'd make it known that he is not in the team's long term plans. It'd be better to just find a cheaper bridge QB and draft away at the position. I will gladly volunteer to be undermined for $30 million. SIGN ME UP! But a cheaper option probably would "improve" our draft status for next year with a better crop of QB's. Trading back this year could add some ammo too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 OP, just in case you haven't seen this thread yet, it was posted by the owner of this site on the type of behavior he wants from us BBMB refugees - http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/192340-bbmb-brief-orientation/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 That would really undermine Tyrod. It'd be a clear indication that he's just an expensive bridge and it'd make it known that he is not in the team's long term plans. It'd be better to just find a cheaper bridge QB and draft away at the position. "Woe is me, I am but a bridge....." Competition is a very good thing........didn't undermine Montana or Favre having even more gifted young players obviously being groomed behind them.......it inspired them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Money IS the issue here with keeping TT! You don't pay a "bridge QB" $15 million per season... Once you determine that TT is not "the guy" you need to move on... Draft one of the top 4 QB's mentioned in the draft, whichever one you think stands the best chance of success... bring in a cheap vet to hold the seat warm while the rookie adjusts to the NFL game... or if Whaley thinks AJ McCarron might be the answer trade for him... This presumes that the Bills front office knows a good young QB when they see one (I have my doubts about that part but hey...) The money you save can go to rebuilding other parts of this team... Sorry, I'm not looking to do what the Jets are doing at qb, I'd rather follow the Steelers big ben model. You take your shot with tt, there are plenty of other contracts that can be adjusted to get players. We are not living with the "cash-to-cap" crap anymore. You lookout for a qb and take one if he's a good value, but no tanking for a pipe dream. Things change during the course of a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 That would really undermine Tyrod. It'd be a clear indication that he's just an expensive bridge and it'd make it known that he is not in the team's long term plans. It'd be better to just find a cheaper bridge QB and draft away at the position. but it would be known that the cheaper bridge QB is a bridge QB...we can't let the Russians have that information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Most importantly, he'd eat up a LOT of cap space. We have two choices - cut TT and draft a QB or run with TT and hope we can patch together a playoff roster this year. We are really tight on cap space once TT is signed. It is impacting other positions already (see Gilly). He doesn't eat up a lot of cap space at all, actually. 9.5% is NOT a lot of cap space for a QB. Eli and Flacco were above 15% of the cap space for their teams last year. Heck, Alex Smith was close to 12%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 (edited) He doesn't eat up a lot of cap space at all, actually. 9.5% is NOT a lot of cap space for a QB. Eli and Flacco were above 15% of the cap space for their teams last year. Heck, Alex Smith was close to 12%. Any day now and it will all be over. We beat this topic down hardcore on BBMB. There are pro's and cons to both sides, I'm all for what the new coaching staff decides and will support it. That said, they better address the position very early in future drafts or I might have to drop this damn dish off my roof. Edited March 4, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Any day now and it will all be over. We beat this topic down hardcore on BBMB. There are pro's and cons to both sides, I'm all for what the new coaching staff decides and will support it. That said, they better address the position very early in future drafts or I might have to drop this damn dish off my roof. Agreed. I just can't wait til March 12th so we know what will happen. I think we should keep him, but if we cut Taylor, I'll get all kinds of excited about the draft in terms of what QB we're going after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Thank god im IN Cancun right now or......ugh this is getting really annoying already. I'm sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Thank god im IN Cancun right now or......ugh this is getting really annoying already. I'm sad How are the INchiladas ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 How are the INchiladas ? I bet they're: ¡INcreíble! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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