Benjamin Franklin Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) Smart, but paranoid...basically, Nixon with breasts. Just caught this--thought you were talking about Trump. Edited January 22, 2017 by Benjamin Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 sigh i didnt say that i realize im new to this forum but ive been through this so many times over the years that im tired of repeating myself. its like shoveling ѕhit against the tide but i will do so for this point wisdom indeed does and always will reside in the center. that doesnt mean you put a finger in the wind and choose the middle position. it means you examine both sides, see what merits their argument has, what biases they may hold, and try to see if there is an amalgamation of the two that makes sense. one side certainly can be right at any particular time as the ebb and flow of ideas and standards evolves over time. but usually the wisest perspective is going to incorporate elements of both polar opposites Unless you are talking specifically about political expediency then this is incorrect. Quite often there is an objective right and an objective wrong. There is an objective moral and immoral. An argument for the center is an argument for incrementalism towards the immoral and the wrong. Or, if I am misunderstanding you, which I leave open as a possibility, perhaps you could give me a few examples of this "Center or Wisdom" as relates to the major issues of our time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 If there were more women protesting on Saturday than persons who attended the inauguration on Friday, is Donald Trump still President? People who were protesting are usually considered part of the number that attended, so basically Trump has the largest crowd in inauguration history. The MSM are using "crowd scientists" to estimate the size of protestors vs supporters. No one knows how many of each. Too bad they couldn't all wear vagina/maga hats so we can tell the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Move far enough left and there is chaos... How much more free can one be? You know my politics... I am far left. Yet, live conservatively. and this is what is wrong with uhmerika every census, every redistricting of voting lines destroys us. it gives folks like you a bigger voice. but i'd never, ever expect you to understand this so i won't go on... you're a waste of my time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 If you find yourself in a crowd where everyone is moving in the same direction, you're probably a lemming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 philosophy and metaphysics are two huge examples of wisdom always residing the center. the entire advanced concept of ying and yang is 100% about finding the wisdom in the center and i cant believe you tried to make a point that centrism in politics is somehow 'immoral and wrong'. holy hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 philosophy and metaphysics are two huge examples of wisdom always residing the center. the entire advanced concept of ying and yang is 100% about finding the wisdom in the center and i cant believe you tried to make a point that centrism in politics is somehow 'immoral and wrong'. holy hell The idea that the moderate position us inherently "correct" is inane and ridiculous. 1 guy argues murder should be illegal. Another argues that it should be legal. The compromise of manslaughter being legal is not correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 philosophy and metaphysics are two huge examples of wisdom always residing the center. the entire advanced concept of ying and yang is 100% about finding the wisdom in the center and i cant believe you tried to make a point that centrism in politics is somehow 'immoral and wrong'. holy hell you need to study politics more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 philosophy and metaphysics are two huge examples of wisdom always residing the center. the entire advanced concept of ying and yang is 100% about finding the wisdom in the center and i cant believe you tried to make a point that centrism in politics is somehow 'immoral and wrong'. holy hell I'm as politically agnostic as it comes around these parts, but this is a false comparison. Middle ground is not always the right way. Most of the times the middle ground is the ground littered with the most deception and false equivalences. Balance does not mean being a centrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 philosophy and metaphysics are two huge examples of wisdom always residing the center. the entire advanced concept of ying and yang is 100% about finding the wisdom in the center and i cant believe you tried to make a point that centrism in politics is somehow 'immoral and wrong'. holy hell I asked you for examples, in our current political divide, of where the middle is a place of virtue. Please provide them. I'll allowing you the platform to prove your stance. I suggest that you use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 philosophy and metaphysics are two huge examples of wisdom always residing the center. the entire advanced concept of ying and yang is 100% about finding the wisdom in the center and i cant believe you tried to make a point that centrism in politics is somehow 'immoral and wrong'. holy hell It is because they are selfish. Scared. Insecure. Who wants to get hit both ways (Thatcher quote)? Nobody really does! Kind of a dumb quote if you ask me. The quote panders to a conservative's overly, well let's just say, conservative and practical side. Most people like structure. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having your head in the clouds while having a foot or two firmly on the ground. Yeah, that's easy joke fodder! I live my life conservatively, yet, I am a very vocal proponent of liberal causes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I asked you for examples, in our current political divide, of where the middle is a place of virtue. Please provide them. I'll allowing you the platform to prove your stance. I suggest that you use it. Immigration, for example. The crazies that want to build a wall and have people rounded up and deported vs the people for open boarders. There is a middle trough there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Immigration, for example. The crazies that want to build a wall and have people rounded up and deported vs the people for open boarders. There is a middle trough there For clarity: (not a response to this specific statement) The middle ground SOMETIMES is the best route, but making the declaration that it's the only route is how you get separate but equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 For clarity: (not a response to this specific statement) The middle ground SOMETIMES is the best route, but making the declaration that it's the only route is how you get separate but equal. Explain. Expand. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 For clarity: (not a response to this specific statement) The middle ground SOMETIMES is the best route, but making the declaration that it's the only route is how you get separate but equal. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Immigration, for example. The crazies that want to build a wall and have people rounded up and deported vs the people for open boarders. There is a middle trough there you're not worth an honest effort but you must remember the deportation of the "crazies" is only the illegal immigrants and does not mean they're rounded up as the democrats wanted the blacks or japs in wwii... so only criminals should be deported Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Explain. Expand. Interesting. Segregation, for all practice purposes, represented the middle ground between slavery and abolitionism. Not many people would say segregation was fair (or equal) -- yet it was the middle ground in between the two extremes. I doubt very much meathead would agree that segregation is the better choice because it lies in the center of two positions, yet he's essentially making that argument. Just trying to give a concrete example of how middle ground views can be deeply flawed compared to the other alternatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Immigration, for example. The crazies that want to build a wall and have people rounded up and deported vs the people for open boarders. There is a middle trough there Except that we have laws that govern immigration activity. The law does not provide for people to enter the country or stay in the county without coming in correctly through the immigration process. Presidents and members of the house and senate swear to uphold the law so the only position that members of either party can have is to prevent improper entry and deport those that do. If a wall or surveillance system or greater personnel are required to achieve this then so be it. The middle ground compromise position is what we already have IMO which is to allow people in reasonable numbers that qualify and work through the process. That's middle ground between nobody in and everybody in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 This is a hollow statement which assumes that neither side of an argument can be correct, and that doing counterproductive or immoral things in moderation is a path to prosperity. Wisdom exists in the center because the extremes are driven by polemic. Immigration, for example. The crazies that want to build a wall and have people rounded up and deported vs the people for open boarders. There is a middle trough there [This is an automated response.] I'm not stupid. Yes, yes you are. Created by DC Tom-bot, beta version 0.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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