Deranged Rhino Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Just now, Tiberius said: From Wikkipedia Gaddafi's Libya was typically described by Western commentators as a police state,[447] and has also been characterized as authoritarian.[370] His administration has also been criticized by political opponents and groups like Amnesty International for the human rights abuses carried out by the country's security services. These abuses included the repression of dissent, public executions, and the arbitrary detention of hundreds of opponents, some of whom reported being tortured.[448] One of the most prominent examples of this was a massacre that took place in Abu Salim prison in June 1996; Human Rights Watch estimated that 1,270 prisoners were massacred.[449][450] Dissidents abroad were labelled "stray dogs"; they were publicly threatened with death and sometimes killed by government hit squads.[451] Open. Air. Slave. Markets. First time since the end of the Civil War. Sullivan is not interested in humanitarian relief. He's interested in creating instability and the profits derived from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 31 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Jake Sullivan has no business commenting on foreign policy ever again. And people who listen to them, deserve to be called idiots. If Tibs agreed with everything I believed in I'd still call him an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Open. Air. Slave. Markets. First time since the end of the Civil War. Sullivan is not interested in humanitarian relief. He's interested in creating instability and the profits derived from it. Oh, you just hate him for favoring the overthrow of a brutal dictator. We should overthrow more of them ______ oh great, the clown who promised not to bother me anymore, is bothering me again. #noclass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Oh, you just hate him for favoring the overthrow of a brutal dictator. We should overthrow more of them ______ oh great, the clown who promised not to bother me anymore, is bothering me again. #noclass Overthrew him - then left the country to die while Sullivan and his boss picked the carcass clean. That's what Sullivan did. It wasn't nobility that drove him, but greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: ***** WHAT??? The Democrats explicitly denied the creed of "American Exceptionalism" for the past ten years! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Hearing rumblings the pull out will not just be in Syria... unconfirmed reports we're leaving Afghanistan as well within the next month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Hearing rumblings the pull out will not just be in Syria... unconfirmed reports we're leaving Afghanistan as well within the next month. "On gun control, criminal justice reform and now Syria, President Donald Trump is advancing policies this week that could appeal to voters far outside his much-talked-about political base." Jonathan Allen observes (at NBC News): [And] Trump appears to be backing down from his threat to shut down parts of the federal government over Congress' refusal to give him $5 billion for a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico. The domestic and foreign policy maneuvers are converging partly on Trump's own timetable and partly as a result of the calendar... ... Trump is signaling something bigger to the American public — that he is "starting to bring Americans home from some of these wars and interventions that we’ve been involved in for years and years.... I'm interested in what this repositioning suggests — that Trump has a strategy to affect how the Democratic candidates frame their issues and what happens in the primaries. I suspect that it's a 2-step strategy, and later on, after the Democrats have committed to issues and narrowed the field of candidates, Trump can give more attention to his base. It seems that what Trump is doing now is designed — if it is a design — to make it harder for moderate Democrats to gain traction and to boost the more left-wing people who he may think will be easier to defeat in the general election. ADDED: If my reading of what Trump is doing is correct, he's flipping the usual strategy, which is to get the base activated and then, as the general election gets closer, move toward the center. In this new strategy, the idea would be to get the other party to make an extreme choice that they'll be stuck with and won't be able to defend. Ironically, this is what some Democrats thought was a good idea in 2016: Get the GOP to nominate Trump, and then he'll be easily defeated. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Hearing rumblings the pull out will not just be in Syria... unconfirmed reports we're leaving Afghanistan as well within the next month. Confirmation (of the rumors, not the action) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Assad's regime is no shining light of hope on any hill or mountain but the world doesn't need another Libya. As I've gotten older and hopefully wiser, I've thought about the tradeoffs between two lousy choices: keeping a terrible regime around versus removing it and letting the anarchy reign. What would happen if we didn't screw around in Afghanistan in the 1980s? What if we didn't invade Iraq? What if we didn't destabilize Libya? What happens if the West ends up destabilizing Syria? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 minute ago, dpberr said: Assad's regime is no shining light of hope on any hill or mountain but the world doesn't need another Libya. As I've gotten older and hopefully wiser, I've thought about the tradeoffs between two lousy choices: keeping a terrible regime around versus removing it and letting the anarchy reign. What would happen if we didn't screw around in Afghanistan in the 1980s? What if we didn't invade Iraq? What if we didn't destabilize Libya? What happens if the West ends up destabilizing Syria? Watch the spin if the Afghanistan news is real (still not sure). All the people who have been clamoring for us to end our longest war will suddenly find every reason under the sun to stay there because the Orange Man Bad programming has broken their brains. We've already had one very liberal poster hail American Exceptionalism today... more will follow. Bringing the troops home is the right move. You can do that without abandoning our allies in the region, and without creating a vacuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Confirmation (of the rumors, not the action) Invading Afghanistan was necessary. Sticking around for 17 years afterwards trying to make a real country out of that den of vipers was not. It should have been "go in, smack around al Qaeda and the Taliban, leave." (Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the Afghanis. I have a grudging respect for them. But they've been tribal nomads for 5000 years, and they're not embracing Western Liberal Democracy any time within the next 5000 years either.) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Invading Afghanistan was necessary. Sticking around for 17 years afterwards trying to make a real country out of that den of vipers was not. It should have been "go in, smack around al Qaeda and the Taliban, leave." (Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the Afghanis. I have a grudging respect for them. But they've been tribal nomads for 5000 years, and they're not embracing Western Liberal Democracy any time within the next 5000 years either.) It's almost like there was another reason for US forces to stay in the world's leading supplier of opium... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's almost like there was another reason for US forces to stay in the world's leading supplier of opium... Control the opium, have the drug makers produce cheap opioids, get people hooked on cheap opioids, make cheap opioids increasingly hard to get... WAKE UP SHEE - oh, look, shiny object! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: ***** WHAT??? The Democrats explicitly denied the creed of "American Exceptionalism" for the past ten years! Not true at all. Liberals are the great champions of spreading American style human rights around the globe. Republicans use to support that too more whole heartedly. 29 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Invading Afghanistan was necessary. Sticking around for 17 years afterwards trying to make a real country out of that den of vipers was not. It should have been "go in, smack around al Qaeda and the Taliban, leave." (Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the Afghanis. I have a grudging respect for them. But they've been tribal nomads for 5000 years, and they're not embracing Western Liberal Democracy any time within the next 5000 years either.) And then the terrorists move back in and another 9-11 gets planned. 29 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Invading Afghanistan was necessary. Sticking around for 17 years afterwards trying to make a real country out of that den of vipers was not. It should have been "go in, smack around al Qaeda and the Taliban, leave." (Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the Afghanis. I have a grudging respect for them. But they've been tribal nomads for 5000 years, and they're not embracing Western Liberal Democracy any time within the next 5000 years either.) And then the terrorists move back in and another 9-11 gets planned. Oops Mattis is out. Probably because of the Syria move. Tiberius is reporting Putin will be new defense secretary Edited December 20, 2018 by Tiberius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's almost like there was another reason for US forces to stay in the world's leading supplier of opium... In addition, no one wants to be known as the president who "lost Afghanistan." gee, I wonder how Putin got him to do this too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-defense-secretary-mattis-leaving-end-february-223120592.htm Trump — you ***** retard. ....MATTIS 2020!!! 2 hours ago, DC Tom said: Invading Afghanistan was necessary. Sticking around for 17 years afterwards trying to make a real country out of that den of vipers was not. It should have been "go in, smack around al Qaeda and the Taliban, leave." (Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the Afghanis. I have a grudging respect for them. But they've been tribal nomads for 5000 years, and they're not embracing Western Liberal Democracy any time within the next 5000 years either.) Theres absolutely no civilizing Haj. Edited December 20, 2018 by The_Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) Trump is the master magician..."look over there while I pull my trick over here" . I just cannot believe not one post on here about the DPRK now saying we ain't de-nuking till the US de-nukes. https://apnews.com/9ad490e00ff5458daa98edb9745aa27e?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow Thought that threat was gone post-summit and Trump et al proclaiming greatest feat of statesmanship ..maybe ever . Can we now all agree nothing has changed in regards to North Korea? Edited December 21, 2018 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: Trump is the master magician..."look over there while I pull my trick over here" . I just cannot believe not one post on here about the DPRK now saying we ain't de-nuking till the US de-nukes. https://apnews.com/9ad490e00ff5458daa98edb9745aa27e?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow Thought that threat was gone post-summit and Trump et al proclaiming greatest feat of statesmanship ..maybe ever . Can we now all agree nothing has changed in regards to North Korea? That's China talking, not the DPRK. DPRK deal is being dangled in the tariff negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: That's China talking, not the DPRK. DPRK deal is being dangled in the tariff negotiations. Q tell ya about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Yes, what would Putin be so happy about?! From Mattis 'take this job and shove it' letter Quote One core belief I have always held is that our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and comprehensive system of alliances and partnerships. While the U.S. remains the indispensable nation in the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies. Take off the blinders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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