Richard Sherman:NFL-wide conspiracy against the Seahawks

[Wayne Cubed]

 

True, but then that is also the risk the kicker takes in getting hit.

 

 

Exactly, and when did you ever see them call a penalty for that? If they did they'd call that on every play of every game.

 

What Carp has to do with it is he didn't try to kick the ball he never would have been in the position to be hit.

 

 

Actually they have and do call that penalty.

[DasNootz]

I blame the ref for not blowing the play dead immediately, but Sherman looked like he was going for the ball. He had to... If Carpenter kicks and makes it, the Bills would decline the offsides penalty and take the points. The play should have been whistled dead... then they could have hit him for 15 yards for continuing after the whistle.

[NoSaint]

Regarding the Sherman play....again.... When someone is trying to block a kick, whether punt or field goal, doesn't the player trying to make the block launch himself in the air to try and block the kick at his highest point? Richard Sherman dove at Carpenters knees. I saw no attempt whatsoever to make a play to block a kick. He went low, not like he was trying to block a ball off a kickers foot.

I've never heard to do it at the highest point.

[DasNootz]

the highest point is in the uprights... you go for the ball wherever it is.

[NoSaint]

I blame the ref for not blowing the play dead immediately, but Sherman looked like he was going for the ball. He had to... If Carpenter kicks and makes it, the Bills would decline the offsides penalty and take the points. The play should have been whistled dead... then they could have hit him for 15 yards for continuing after the whistle.

And if the whistle was late or they were worried about volume in the stadium making it hard to hear.... there's something to be said about it being a tougher call live than most are giving credit for but the ref crew entered a nosedive as soon as adversity came into play there

Edited November 8, 2016 by NoSaint

[Bubba Gump]

I've never heard to do it at the highest point.

The higher you go, the more chance you have to block the kick. If the kick gets off and you go low, you'll miss it. Going high gives you more area coverage. Why do you think players leap from the backside? The higher they are the better chance they have at a block. Why do players stretch their arms out when going for a block? Trying to cover the upward path of the ball.

[Mr. WEO]

Gotta commend Carpenter for his European pro soccer style flop and quick bounce up after the flag though. He should have stayed down and sold it a little harder though, obviously.

[dulles]

If everyone believed it was dead, why did Carp still kick it? The logic has to go both ways

Because that is common practice with kickers, whereas it is a penalty to hit another player after the whistle, ever.

[NoSaint]

Because that is common practice with kickers, whereas it is a penalty to hit another player after the whistle, ever.

but hits happens in situations like that... which is why qbs tend to spike the ball when they hear the whistle.

 

in live action, when a pass rusher is only looking at the qb (or the kicker/holder) seeing the cues that its a live play make it a tougher call for the refs to make. im not arguing the refs got it right -- but in the huddle they had im sure there was discussion about all this to get where they landed.

Edited November 8, 2016 by NoSaint

[Never NEVER Give-up]

Watch it again. He's going for the ball. Carpenter kicks into him.

 

Wrong - watch it again. When blocking a kick, the blocker should extend and aim for the point where the ball leaves the kicker's foot. Sherman puts his head down, dips his shoulder and goes for Carpenter's knees! He never extends. His arms never reach; he tucks and goes for the knees.

 

http://buffalonews.com/2016/11/07/series-questionable-calls-hurts-bills-halftime-monday-night-football/

[Bubba Gump]

Wrong - watch it again. When blocking a kick, the blocker should extend and aim for the point where the ball leaves the kicker's foot. Sherman puts his head down, dips his shoulder and goes for Carpenter's knees! He never extends. His arms never reach; he tucks and goes for the knees.

 

http://buffalonews.com/2016/11/07/series-questionable-calls-hurts-bills-halftime-monday-night-football/

Thank you. Blocking the kick left his mind once he heard the whistle.

[boyst]

It was clear he was getting a free shot knowing he was offsides

 

Wrong - watch it again. When blocking a kick, the blocker should extend and aim for the point where the ball leaves the kicker's foot. Sherman puts his head down, dips his shoulder and goes for Carpenter's knees! He never extends. His arms never reach; he tucks and goes for the knees.

 

http://buffalonews.com/2016/11/07/series-questionable-calls-hurts-bills-halftime-monday-night-football/

sadly this is what we need yo do to be a bully

[Gugny]

I blame the ref for not blowing the play dead immediately, but Sherman looked like he was going for the ball. He had to... If Carpenter kicks and makes it, the Bills would decline the offsides penalty and take the points. The play should have been whistled dead... then they could have hit him for 15 yards for continuing after the whistle.

 

This is all that really needs to be said, because it's 100% accurate.

 

The only person at fault on that play was the ref.

[thebandit27]

 

This is all that really needs to be said, because it's 100% accurate.

 

The only person at fault on that play was the ref.

 

Dean Blandino explained that the actual blowing of the whistle doesn't need to occur for the penalty to be called.

 

Yes, the referees are at fault for not blowing it. Sherman is also at fault for roughing the kicker after the ball is declared dead.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/11/08/walt-anderson-explains-dean-blandino-says-walt-anderson-is-wrong/

 

Also, the relevant language in Rule 12, Article 2, Section 6 of the NFL Rulebook explains the following as Unnecessary Roughness:

 

"(g) unnecessarily running, diving into, cutting, or throwing the body against or on a player who (1) is out of the play or (2)

should not have reasonably anticipated such contact by an opponent, before or after the ball is dead "

Flag down, officials running in, Carpenter has a reasonable expectation that he shouldn't be hit.

No question it's a penalty for Unnecessary Roughness.

[Gugny]

 

 

Dean Blandino explained that the actual blowing of the whistle doesn't need to occur for the penalty to be called.

 

Yes, the referees are at fault for not blowing it. Sherman is also at fault for roughing the kicker after the ball is declared dead.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/11/08/walt-anderson-explains-dean-blandino-says-walt-anderson-is-wrong/

 

Also, the relevant language in Rule 12, Article 2, Section 6 of the NFL Rulebook explains the following as Unnecessary Roughness:

 

"(g) unnecessarily running, diving into, cutting, or throwing the body against or on a player who (1) is out of the play or (2)

should not have reasonably anticipated such contact by an opponent, before or after the ball is dead "

Flag down, officials running in, Carpenter has a reasonable expectation that he shouldn't be hit.

No question it's a penalty for Unnecessary Roughness.

 

 

We can respecfully agree to disagree on this, then.

 

Sherman played until the whistle blew and not one second after. He dove for the ball and incidentally ran into Carpenter's leg.

 

Sherman touched the ball before touching Carpenter. Once he touches the ball, Carpenter is fair game.

 

There was nothing illegal about any of this play. The refs screwed up by not blowing the whistle soon enough.

[atlbillsfan1975]

The scary thing about Sherman is how smart he is and also how devious he is. He is Belichik in player form.

[thebandit27]

 

We can respecfully agree to disagree on this, then.

 

Sherman played until the whistle blew and not one second after. He dove for the ball and incidentally ran into Carpenter's leg.

 

Sherman touched the ball before touching Carpenter. Once he touches the ball, Carpenter is fair game.

 

There was nothing illegal about any of this play. The refs screwed up by not blowing the whistle soon enough.

 

That's fine--for the record I think there's zero possibility that Sherman did not know he was offsides, and he chose to dive at the kicker anyway.

The scary thing about Sherman is how smart he is and also how devious he is. He is Belichik in player form.

 

I know more than a few smart people that are still a-holes.

[Jauronimo]

The scary thing about Sherman is how smart he is and also how devious he is. He is Belichik in player form.

He's a thin skinned douchebag who wants to have it both ways. He has no control over his emotions and frequently sounds like a parody of a WWF promo and when he gets rightly criticized he puts on his knit sweater and glasses and reminds us all that he went to Stanford. Then a bunch of moronic flapping heads on a mission to prove to us all that they're not racists and are "one of the good ones" stumble over each other with effusive praise of a first class jackass.

 

He's TO with a bigger vocabulary.

Edited November 8, 2016 by Jauronimo

[YoloinOhio]

If the Bills put up 400+ yards of offense on them in Seattle, I can't wait to see Sherman get bent over next Sunday by Brady in Foxboro. I hope he tries his antics at Gillette.

[Gugny]

 

That's fine--for the record I think there's zero possibility that Sherman did not know he was offsides, and he chose to dive at the kicker anyway.

 

 

I agree. But what would you expect him to do if the whistle wasn't blown? Stop playing? You can't just let him kick it in that situation.