HeHateMe Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 This team needs to draft a WR early next year, and bring in a vet starter in the off-season. I don't see them trading for Smith. This should have been expected with us so thin at WR to start the season. We seem to always get depleted at that spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 This team needs to draft a WR early next year, and bring in a vet starter in the off-season. I don't see them trading for Smith. This should have been expected with us so thin at WR to start the season. We seem to always get depleted at that spot. this is what I don't get. They need to bring in a vet starter. Now. Why wait until the offseason? Why wouldn't they trade for Smith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) this is what I don't get. They need to bring in a vet starter. Now. Why wait until the offseason? Why wouldn't they trade for Smith? Dealing from a position of desperation. Does Torrey Smith save this season? I'm not sure about it without knowing the playbook, scheme, etc. He is a solid deep ball threat with a big contract. What would the 49ers want? A 3rd-4th+? I wouldn't give up a 3rd for him. Player for Player trades are difficult, especially in season. Edited October 25, 2016 by HeHateMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Strange, I just saw that Chris Brown said that the Bills are super interested and would give just about anything to get Smith. At least, that's what Doug Whaley told him. This crap again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 How's his run blocking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 This crap again Do you really expect Chris Brown, who is a mouthpiece for the team, to put it out to the public that the Bills are interested? Why? So that they can tip off other teams and/or alert the 49ers as to the level of their interest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) Dealing from a position of desperation. Does Torrey Smith save this season? I'm not sure about it without knowing the playbook, scheme, etc. He is a solid deep ball threat with a big contract. What would the 49ers want? A 3rd-4th+? I wouldn't give up a 3rd for him. Player for Player trades are difficult, especially in season. yes they are desperate. They need a starting caliber WR to stay alive this year and they need one after this year too. I guess they should just throw their hands in the air and give up. I really don't care about the money, it's not that much for a starting WR. They aren't signing a decent FA at this position because anyone who has a choice in the matter isn't coming here. Plus that doesn't help them this season. Edited October 25, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 yes they are desperate. They need a starting caliber WR to stay alive this year and they need one after this year too. I guess they should just throw their hands in the air and give up. I really don't care about the money, it's not that much for a starting WR. They aren't signing a decent FA at this position because anyone who has a choice in the matter isn't coming here. Plus that doesn't help them this season. So what are you giving up for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Do you really expect Chris Brown, who is a mouthpiece for the team, to put it out to the public that the Bills are interested? Why? So that they can tip off other teams and/or alert the 49ers as to the level of their interest?he could have just said nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 he could have just said nothing Yes, that's what I would do. Poker face. But if people believe his posts, then it's better for the Bills bargaining position (if they in fact have any interest) if he says what he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 and worth stressing that when looking at the down the line cap hits on spotrac -- those are the niners that include the prorated bonus. if traded, they would all come down. essentially youd be making the decision to move on from woods (who will get a nice contract and may net us a 4th round comp pick to help offset whatever we send) I think Watkins, Woods and TSmith will make a great receiving corps. Do you not see woods as coexisting with Torrey Smith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 If Spotrac numbers are to be believed, the entire $8 million in 2017 pay becomes guaranteed in April. $8mill is too much of a cap hit next year for a #2 WR are we ever actually discussing cutting him after April? for all intents and purposes for a discussion in this thread, his contract moving forward isnt guaranteed. I think Watkins, Woods and TSmith will make a great receiving corps. Do you not see woods as coexisting with Torrey Smith? in that we would be paying 15m a year for a #2 and #3 i dont. otherwise, sure, who wouldnt like that talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) So what are you giving up for him? a 3rd. I wish it wasn't the case but we are dealing in reality, which is a position of desperation. SF has all of the leverage. It's similar to the position the Vikes were in at QB when their starter went down right before the season. You are going to overpay mid-season when you are clearly in the position we are at WR. Edited October 25, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 are we ever actually discussing cutting him after April? for all intents and purposes for a discussion in this thread, his contract moving forward isnt guaranteed. in that we would be paying 15m a year for a #2 and #3 i dont. otherwise, sure, who wouldnt like that talent Right. So the numbers have to of course make sense but it almost immediately takes the pressure off to draft a WR early. We would be set at WR for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Is it because they're confident in who they have on the roster or because Smith would never see the ball? Excellent point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Well you don't know what they want for him, so you can't be sure how much sense it makes. Makes all sorts of sense. Tyrod only can throw deep, Torrey only catches deep balls. Get er dun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 are we ever actually discussing cutting him after April? for all intents and purposes for a discussion in this thread, his contract moving forward isnt guaranteed. in that we would be paying 15m a year for a #2 and #3 i dont. otherwise, sure, who wouldnt like that talent According to Spotrac, his contract calls for $22 million guaranteed, of which $16 million is paid through the end of the 2016 season. Don't know how the other $6 million rolls in, because footnotes say that the 2017 pay becomes guaranteed in April and that amount is $8 million. If I'm paying that much for a #2 WR, I'd rather have Woods than Smith because he's a better fit for Bills offense. I'll gladly take Smith at $2.5 mil for the last nine weeks though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 yes they are desperate. They need a starting caliber WR to stay alive this year and they need one after this year too. I guess they should just throw their hands in the air and give up. I really don't care about the money, it's not that much for a starting WR. They aren't signing a decent FA at this position because anyone who has a choice in the matter isn't coming here. Plus that doesn't help them this season. I agree -- desperation is where they're at. I worry that they don't realize this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 I agree -- desperation is where they're at. I worry that they don't realize this. Would you be shocked if they didnt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Would you be shocked if they didnt? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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