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I am curious to hear thoughts on the topic of whether tyrod has actually regressed as a passer, or if our perceptions changed

 

Stat wise...

Last year: 63.7% completions, with 8.0 YPA, TDs on 5.3% of throws, INTs on 1.6%... 216 YPG

This year: 63.5% completions, with 7.8 YPA, TDs on 5.8% of throws, INTs on 1.9%... 204 YPG

 

2015 QB Rating 99.4, 2016 QB Rating 98.9

 

2015 QBR 67.8, 2016 QBR 62.5

 

2015 Sack 8.3%, 2016 Sacks 3.7%

 

Strengths -- Deep boundary throws, chunk yardage when plays break down

Weaknesses -- over the middle throws/reads, pocket presence, pre snap work

 

Are we seeing a very similar performance out of the guy (tack on an extra completion or two, and an extra sack or two, and the stats would be near the same), but due to the game outcomes and raised expectations viewing him differently?

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I am curious to hear thoughts on the topic of whether tyrod has actually regressed, or if our perceptions changed

 

Stat wise...

Last year: 63.7% completions, with 8.0 YPA, TDs on 5.3% of throws, INTs on 1.6%... 216 YPG

This year: 63.5% completions, with 7.8 YPA, TDs on 5.8% of throws, INTs on 1.9%... 204 YPG

 

2015 QB Rating 99.4, 2016 QB Rating 98.9

 

2015 QBR 67.8, 2016 QBR 62.5

 

2015 Sack 8.3%, 2016 Sacks 3.7%

 

Strengths -- Deep boundary throws, chunk yardage when plays break down

Weaknesses -- over the middle throws/reads, pocket presence, pre snap work

 

Are we seeing a very similar performance out of the guy (tack on an extra completion or two, and an extra sack or two, and the stats would be near the same), but due to the game outcomes and raised expectations viewing him differently?

I think that it is mostly the same. The biggest difference to me is a few plays jump out at me that were costly. I remember him missing Watkins and Woods wide open on 2 occasions that were big plays at the time. I think that he has largely been the same player but needs to escape the pocket more. There should be more designed rollouts and we will see his play improve.

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Stats can be extremely misleading. He's been painfully slow with his reads and misfires on short-to-medium passes way too often.

 

Hope he can turn it around but judging the first two games alone, he has regressed.

i guess, i think my point is that last year he was one of the slowest qbs to release the ball, and struggled with the intermediate.

 

couple that with the fact that the stats are nearly identical... i guess the question i would ask is what makes you think the stats arent telling the story and his reads have gotten slower, for instance?

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I think through 2 weeks the peaks and valleys have been more obvious than they were last year. I forget where, but I read that 33.3% of our offensive production has come on 3 plays. Tyrod has looked uncomfortable, and doesn't appear to trust Robert Woods or his OL, despite relatively solid pass protection. It's also worth noting, in my opinion, that the running game has been significantly worse so far this year. I believe this is due, in part, to Tyrod not running/rolling out.

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I think through 2 weeks the peaks and valleys have been more obvious than they were last year. I forget where, but I read that 33.3% of our offensive production has come on 3 plays. Tyrod has looked uncomfortable, and doesn't appear to trust Robert Woods or his OL, despite relatively solid pass protection. It's also worth noting, in my opinion, that the running game has been significantly worse so far this year. I believe this is due, in part, to Tyrod not running/rolling out.

 

 

One reason the run game as been worse is because no one respects inside the number past 9 yards deep. That allows single high safety and a safety coming down fast. Also allows LBers to play fast.

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i guess, i think my point is that last year he was one of the slowest qbs to release the ball, and struggled with the intermediate.

 

couple that with the fact that the stats are nearly identical... i guess the question i would ask is what makes you think the stats arent telling the story and his reads have gotten slower, for instance?

 

When a player goes from very poor to very poor, does it matter if he technically "regressed" or not? Bottom line: it's not good enough.

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Very interesting look, Saint.

 

We finished 2015 at 31st in 3 and out percentage. We're there right now.

 

We finished 2015 29th in first downs, it's likely after MNF, only the Bears will have fewer through two games this year.

 

Small sample, like all football stats, of course. But if there was displeasure with Roman's trajectory last year, it seems like they picked up exactly where they left off, and his offing was a no brainer.

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I see regression with a lack of field vision that has resulted in stalled drives and missed opportunities for big plays. I also inconsistent accuracy with his short and intermediate passes that result in incomplete passes or receivers not being able to gain YAC.


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One reason the run game as been worse is because no one respects inside the number past 9 yards deep. That allows single high safety and a safety coming down fast. Also allows LBers to play fast.

Yes that explains it

 

Defensive coordinator's are of course stupid and need an off season to figure all this out.....they cant figure it out in season last year.

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I mentioned in an earlier post I think he looks physically slower (used to look like he could take it to the house). The out pattern to Goodwin which was wide open and he missed badly (and he had had a few others) is a real concern. These are easy throws that he was making last year. It looks like he is playing scared, not sure if it is drilled in to him don't you dare turn it over or if he doesn't have a good year the contact is off the table or both. On a bright note Cardale Jones looked surprisingly good in the preseason and with a year under his belt he might be OK next year. Remember had he come out in 2015 he would have been a top ten pick.

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Yes that explains it

 

Defensive coordinator's are of course stupid and need an off season to figure all this out.....they cant figure it out in season last year.

 

One of the film breakdown guys (Erik or YPP, can't remember) said that opposition coaches have actively worked on taking away the Bills pin and pull run blocking. That would be the result of offseason tendency scouting.

 

There is merit to Bobby's idea too, no linebacker cares about what's behind them and will sell out on the run if they know the QB won't make them pay for it.

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I think that it is mostly the same. The biggest difference to me is a few plays jump out at me that were costly. I remember him missing Watkins and Woods wide open on 2 occasions that were big plays at the time. I think that he has largely been the same player but needs to escape the pocket more. There should be more designed rollouts and we will see his play improve.

 

That's the biggest change to me. I don't recall him missing very basic throws last year.

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