Gugny Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 I rolled that out because I rememeber someone on a football show use those exact words for Vick. But you know.....its all debatable. We are debating whether Tyrod Taylor has the physical attributes and ability of a number 1 overall pick quarterback. When I think of how similar they actually are (football wise) it makes me smile a little If you're saying Tyrod is similar to Vick football wise, you're saying, in no uncertain terms, that Taylor sucks. What's the point? He isnt using it. Maybe you should try showing him some affection. Hang in there. He'll come around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Nobody will ever top Vick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Nobody will ever top Vick. Never say ever...wait, that's wrong. But so is nobody will ever top Vick. There's some kid in high school now we've never heard of who will make Vick look like a statue of Bledsoe. Maybe a stud athlete who can actually be a great QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 If you're saying Tyrod is similar to Vick football wise, you're saying, in no uncertain terms, that Taylor sucks. Maybe you should try showing him some affection. Hang in there. He'll come around. lol, I'll take your expert advice then. Sidebar, Vick was good. I guess you have been watching so much Bills football for the last 20 years that you don't know what a good QB looks like. Vick was by far the most dynamic athlete of the early 2000s outside of LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 bledsoe.Drew "Cleats of Cement" Bledsoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuklz2594 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 kordell "slash" stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Vick was crazy athletic. I watched almost every Falcon game his first few years. He was at least a step maybe two faster than anyone else on the field. He could turn the edge and get up field when 99% of the league would of run out or been tackled. The run against Minnie in OT to win the game was sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 lol, I'll take your expert advice then. Sidebar, Vick was good. I guess you have been watching so much Bills football for the last 20 years that you don't know what a good QB looks like. Vick was by far the most dynamic athlete of the early 2000s outside of LT. o I agree that Vick is the most athletic QB ever. But to say he was good is inaccurate, in my opinion. I think he was horrible. Always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdogtim Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Billy Joe Hobert would certainly be in this discussion but alas didn't open his playbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 I always hear that word - "athletic" - but I've never really understood it. "Athletic" in normal terms means something like "best combination of speed/quickness/strength." Kind of like how a decathlon champ is dubbed the "world's greatest athlete." And that's a pretty good analogy since decathletes also need to excel in throwing competitions. So if "athletic" means anything even remotely similar in football terms, Tyrod, Vick, and pretty much everyone else is not in the same league as Cam Newton or even Kaepernick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 I always hear that word - "athletic" - but I've never really understood it. "Athletic" in normal terms means something like "best combination of speed/quickness/strength." Kind of like how a decathlon champ is dubbed the "world's greatest athlete." And that's a pretty good analogy since decathletes also need to excel in throwing competitions. So if "athletic" means anything even remotely similar in football terms, Tyrod, Vick, and pretty much everyone else is not in the same league as Cam Newton or even Kaepernick. Interesting take... If you break it down Speed: 1-Vick 2-TT 3-kaep 4- cam Quickness: harder to measure, I believe 1-tt, 2- Vick 3- kaep 4- cam Strength: 1-cam, 2-kaep 3-TT 4- Vick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Interesting take... If you break it down Speed: 1-Vick 2-TT 3-kaep 4- cam Quickness: harder to measure, I believe 1-tt, 2- Vick 3- kaep 4- cam Strength: 1-cam, 2-kaep 3-TT 4- Vick Agreed. Although I think Elway is in there somewhere too - people forget how great an athlete he was. Certainly as strong as anyone, with pretty impressive flat out speed (although not as elusive obviously as Vick). Steve Grogan was a pretty impressive running QB too in his early years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Interesting take... If you break it down Speed: 1-Vick 2-TT 3-kaep 4- cam Quickness: harder to measure, I believe 1-tt, 2- Vick 3- kaep 4- cam Strength: 1-cam, 2-kaep 3-TT 4- Vick u I would include agility, too, which I think Vick runs away with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) Ron Mexico Flutie not yet mentioned? Edited August 20, 2016 by keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 u I would include agility, too, which I think Vick runs away with. See I know Vick was faster than almost everyone int he field, but Tyrod seems to have more shake and bake to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Interesting take... If you break it down Speed: 1-Vick 2-TT 3-kaep 4- cam Quickness: harder to measure, I believe 1-tt, 2- Vick 3- kaep 4- cam Strength: 1-cam, 2-kaep 3-TT 4- Vick They all basically ran 4.5 at the combine. I would say the 6'5" guys who did that is more impressive than the 6'1" guy. As for the fastest ever 40 yard dashes for Qbs, it was Vick, RG3, & Reggie McNeal who all ran in the 4.3 range. https://www.freelapusa.com/fastest-40-yard-dash/ So while Taylor is a great athlete, he's not close to being the most athletic ever. And it takes a lot more than athletic ability to be a great qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) Flutie not yet mentioned? He should be, because he's up there with Tarkenton and Staubach when it comes to "athletic quarterback" being defined as "most elusive/best scrambler." And if you weight "size/overall strength and arm strength" more highly, I guess the guys like Bobby Douglass (kind of a fullback with great arm strength and awful accuracy) are suddenly in the mix. Or if you include "ability to throw accurately while avoiding pursuit", then Favre and Russell Wilson enter the picture. I guess that's my issue with the question posed in this thread: once you define "athletic" to mean "best at the types of things Tyrod Taylor does best," it is self evident that Tyrod Taylor wins. In other words, not a particularly enlightening discussion. But hey, when has that ever stopped us from continuing the discussion? Edited August 20, 2016 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Never say ever...wait, that's wrong. But so is nobody will ever top Vick. There's some kid in high school now we've never heard of who will make Vick look like a statue of Bledsoe. Maybe a stud athlete who can actually be a great QB. Cam Newton isn't in HS. I think the difference will be the size of the guy. Vick was fast, but smallish, like TT. I was reading how track has changed because of taller sprinters and new training. Usain Bolt pushed the boundaries for Olympic sprinters with his height. I think we'll end up seeing someone big like Newton with sub-4.3 speed. The problem with that type of player is that they ultimately get beat up doing a secondary function (running). The passing part of their game is so rare that NFL coaches will always lead them away from running. The limited training for speed and perpetual aging will cause the fastest guys to slow down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 See I know Vick was faster than almost everyone int he field, but Tyrod seems to have more shake and bake to him. Nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 He should be, because he's up there with Tarkenton and Staubach when it comes to "athletic quarterback" being defined as "most elusive/best scrambler." And if you weight "size/overall strength and arm strength" more highly, I guess the guys like Bobby Douglass (kind of a fullback with great arm strength and awful accuracy) are suddenly in the mix. Or if you include "ability to throw accurately while avoiding pursuit", then Favre and Russell Wilson enter the picture. I guess that's my issue with the question posed in this thread: once you define "athletic" to mean "best at the types of things Tyrod Taylor does best," it is self evident that Tyrod Taylor wins. In other words, not a particularly enlightening discussion. But hey, when has that ever stopped us from continuing the discussion? Yea- if you want to shoehorn it far enough tyrod could float to the top of the list. It's still early in his process though. I agree with the sentiment that Vicks the type that did things NO ONE does and did them with DCs game planning just to stop those things. Not the most complete passer but in about any running metric he's NFL elite, not just qb elite. I'll also throw out the hot take that I think that some people are at times mixing up being unconventional and hard to predict with being more athletic (flutie being mentioned in the same breathe as some of these for instance in recent posts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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