BarleyNY Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Pretty much every doubter who feels what he did in 2015 sucked. If that sucked I can't imagine what good is. Weak sauce, man. Not one respectable poster here has said that. He had a good 14 game season in which he performed very well in a limited role. He wants paid large at a time when unproven QBs are getting almost as much as proven ones. He's being asked to prove his worth and seems willing to bet on himself. We'd all love to see him get a huge deal, but want him to earn it this season. It's what Flacco previously did and it's what Cousins is doing this season. Why is it such an issue for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Waiting will only cost you more. If you think you are getting another Fitz or Trent with TT maybe your evaluation skills are lacking. lets get one thing straight. You do not have NFL talent evaluation skills, especially long term viability of a QB. You are merely a fan and nothing more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) I think people's expectations of Taylor are unrealistic. Being good isn't good enough. He has to be amazing or else he's nothing.Good. Just not good enough to beat Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Kirk Cousins when it mattered. Pooping his pants when the defense was kicking Brady's behind in 2nd Pats game warrants no cash. Take it easy Drew Rosenhaus. If he plays better he will get his money. Edited July 20, 2016 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) Thanks for proving my point, haters. First year starter goes 8-6. That's usually a cause for optimism, not a reason to cut a player. Edited July 20, 2016 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Promo is reading a different TBD than me. "Cut a player?" This is insane. Is there a parallel universe I'm missing? Is Beerball the gate keeper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I'm not sure where the options were limited to either signing him to a huge contract or cutting him. I don't think anyone has said that Taylor didn't have a good year last year. Most would simply recognize that he was at times, inconsistent. There is nothing to be saved by giving him a new deal now. The deal he signed last year was loaded with incentives that gave him a chance to be a starter, and voided the last year if that became true. Well that's true as we sit here today and I would bet money that his agent isn't going to tell him to take a discount for signing a deal early, when he expects to be "the guy" going forward.In terms of the whole "being good versus great" thing, I don't think there's an argument to be made that Taylor has to be great. Joe Flacco hasn't been a top ten QB in any of the years he's played and that team regularly goes to the playoffs. He even has a ring. Cousins was good last year, but not great, and he's playing for his contract as well. Osweiler won a jackpot with his limited starts for Denver, but he's the exception rather than the rule. Players, of course, contribute to the win/loss record of their teams, but games are won and lost by teams. Would we say Phillip Rivers is horrible because his Chargers went 4-12 last year? Of course not. So Taylor going 8-6 is somewhat irrelevant.If we see any growth from Taylor over last year, he'll earn his contract or get tagged next year. Until then, it's premature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) Thanks for proving my point, haters. First year starter goes 8-6. That's usually a cause for optimism, not a reason to cut a player.Thank god he got to play your other "amazing" qb Fitz 2x that helped him get over .500. Spectacular stuff. Edited July 20, 2016 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Thanks for proving my point, haters. First year starter goes 8-6. That's usually a cause for optimism, not a reason to cut a player. I'm not sure you got the memo. QBWinz is a myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I'm not sure you got the memo. QBWinz is a myth. Take that up with Ryan L Billz. And while you're at it, explain to him QB's play against defenses, not other QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 Sign him now. If the Bills lose him, I will never forgive them! Disagree that Gilmore is "so" critical. He has had trouble staying on the field, and while he has been extremely good at times other times not so much. Would love to see them sign Gilmore, but for me Tyrod is a greater priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Take that up with Ryan L Billz. And while you're at it, explain to him QB's play against defenses, not other QB's. excuses are fun. thank god we beat Kellen Moore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Sign him now. If the Bills lose him, I will never forgive them! Disagree that Gilmore is "so" critical. He has had trouble staying on the field, and while he has been extremely good at times other times not so much. Would love to see them sign Gilmore, but for me Tyrod is a greater priority. The tag ensures they won't lose him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Good. Just not good enough to beat Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Kirk Cousins when it mattered. Pooping his pants when the defense was kicking Brady's behind in 2nd Pats game warrants no cash. Take it easy Drew Rosenhaus. If he plays better he will get his money. Ryan this may have already been addressed by why are you blaming Tyrod that we lost to teams with Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, and Kirk Cousins on them? QBs dont actually go against each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Promo is reading a different TBD than me. "Cut a player?" This is insane. Is there a parallel universe I'm missing? Is Beerball the gate keeper? He is vigilant in battling his imaginary foes as they commit terrible, imaginary acts. You've got to give him that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Not, as how many times have we seen QBs show good things one year and not so good in their second (see Doug Flutie, JP Losman, Drew Bledsoe, Ryan Fitzpatrick) am sure the list is even longer but I say Tyrod has to prove last year wasn't a fluke. Yet this far I'd say he is reminiscent of David Garrard's 2007 season and/or a poor man's Steve McNair. Yet the only difference is Tyrod isn't as bulky as those guys and might be more susceptible to injury. I roll the dice and see if he produces again and if he does then give him the money he wants. If not draft a QB in the early rounds next year to compete with Cardale to be our next young QB to try and develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 He is vigilant in battling his imaginary foes as they commit terrible, imaginary acts. You've got to give him that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 He is vigilant in battling his imaginary foes as they commit terrible, imaginary acts. You've got to give him that. I wonder if he's still hoping Tyrod holds out because he warned us FIRST ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I think quietly we are all rooting for Tyrod and hoping he is the guy. We all hope that last year wasn't a fluke because we have endured multiple years of futility at the QB position. I think the last thing any of us really wants is to still be looking for that QB by year's end. Hope Tyrod comes to work and handles business on the field so QB will not be a position we are fretting about come next offseason. Show growth in year 2, sign a new deal with the Bills, and let's get this team on the right track for many years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 At this point, TT is about the only thing that can save the Bills. I hope they redo his contract today. Between injuries and suspensions, the roster keeps on getting thinner, and this is before any contact. Not good. The GM is way over his head and we have one of the worst coaches in the league, if not THE very worst. The last time I felt this down on the team entering a season was the year AVP was the starter for a while. I know almost all of you cannot see it, but I sincerely believe that Rex will not last the season. We shall see. If Rex won't last the season won't the entire mess be made worse by re-signing Taylor? (If Rex doesn't last the season it must be a disaster. If the season is a disaster with a just re-signed QB can you imagine the uproar?) That's what I think the Bills are laying groundwork for now. Getting feelers out, seeing where players at positions of need stand physically and seek contractually. Then they're ready to move quickly if needed. The RB corps would need to take a definite downturn for me to want the Bills to sign Bush early enough to guarantee him his salary for the season, but I also don't know where Shady's hamstring stands. If he was expected to miss games at the beginning of the season I'd move now to sign Bush or another back. With Karlos set to miss the first 4 games, no way would I want to go into the season with what we have left. Heck, there's even a chance that Jonathan Williams gets suspended for his DUI. Anyone feel comfortable playing Baltimore with Gillislee and Boom Herron? I sure as **** don't. Who said that? I thought Shady was an ankle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I'd rather overpay after a 2nd good year than overpay him for one. I like him. I think he can play well. I just prefer the Flacco model. Give me something, first. You're not paying a clear "starting" QB less than 20 million in this league anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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