Ronin Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) There is just as much chance that none of the players on the roster turn into contributors like Hogan as there is that one of them becomes a keeper. I like some of the individual talents........speed on some.......size on others.........but you are right.......every team has a bunch of these guys with strengths but clear weaknesses. But on the other hand......Gary Barnidge emerged out of nowhere last year and was extraordinary........it can happen.. And according to the NFL players that vote on the top 100 he is better than Sammy Watkins. All hail the top 100! Again, what do you base this on besides merely you're saying so? It can happen? Sure, it can happen, but what happens in a once in a hundred players scenario is hardly a 50-50 proposition as you just stated. Based on recent history I'd suggest that it's highly unlikely that Woods can do much more than maybe 800-yards and a half-dozen TDs in a superb season for him as a slot WR, which he may not even be able to play if Watkins can't go. I'd say that based on the same history of our current WRs coupled with historic NFL play of the "type" of WR that we have, namely track stars like Goodwin and Listenbee, it's highly likely that not one of those WRs posts more than 500 yards and a handful of TDs and that only because they'll be forced into a starting role. Crappy WRs don't just blossom into top receivers on teams with OL issues, questionable and uncertain QB play, and on a team that has built its offense around the run. Hogan was a contributor but not the type of receiver suited to Taylor's outside throw "talent," or should I say limited repertoire. He'll do much better in NE with Brady hitting him OTM if he gets a chance to play much. If he starts he'll post 800 yards. Either way, we're going to need one of our WRs to step up to more than the 450 yards and 2 TDs that Hogan had last year if Watkins a/o Woods can't play all 16. That's 3/4 WR contribution. Right now we don't have a WR on the team after Watkins that's a bona fide starting 1 or 2 given Taylor's limited arsenal of throws. Treadwell would have been a great fit for him given that he's one of the WRs in this draft that has knack for catching contested balls in traffic. Instead we got a player that isn't even likely to contribute in any significant capacity this season if at all and only then if his shoulder heals quickly. Edited May 31, 2016 by TaskersGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Keep your eye on this kid. http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/05/28/bills-wr-davonte-allen-brings-toughness-dont-take-plays-off/ Here's hoping, 24.7 yds per catch is insane but makes me wonder if he is just another deep threat when we need someone over the middle. So, I skipped ahead....are we going to be OK? no .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Again, what do you base this on besides merely you're saying so? It can happen? Sure, it can happen, but what happens in a once in a hundred players scenario is hardly a 50-50 proposition as you just stated. Based on recent history I'd suggest that it's highly unlikely that Woods can do much more than maybe 800-yards and a half-dozen TDs in a superb season for him as a slot WR, which he may not even be able to play if Watkins can't go. I'd say that based on the same history of our current WRs coupled with historic NFL play of the "type" of WR that we have, namely track stars like Goodwin and Listenbee, it's highly likely that not one of those WRs posts more than 500 yards and a handful of TDs and that only because they'll be forced into a starting role. Crappy WRs don't just blossom into top receivers on teams with OL issues, questionable and uncertain QB play, and on a team that has built its offense around the run. Hogan was a contributor but not the type of receiver suited to Taylor's outside throw "talent," or should I say limited repertoire. He'll do much better in NE with Brady hitting him OTM if he gets a chance to play much. If he starts he'll post 800 yards. Either way, we're going to need one of our WRs to step up to more than the 450 yards and 2 TDs that Hogan had last year if Watkins a/o Woods can't play all 16. That's 3/4 WR contribution. Right now we don't have a WR on the team after Watkins that's a bona fide starting 1 or 2 given Taylor's limited arsenal of throws. Treadwell would have been a great fit for him given that he's one of the WRs in this draft that has knack for catching contested balls in traffic. Instead we got a player that isn't even likely to contribute in any significant capacity this season if at all and only then if his shoulder heals quickly. Yeah......like I said, I agree about the wr corps after Sammy. Someone might emerge.......but there is much reason to be dubious......they are a flawed bunch.......Listenbee is the only one without skidmarks on his resume and that may be just because he's brand new. I'm not a big Bob Woods fan either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 If Sammy plays 16+ games this year, I believe the depth behind Woods will be enough. I just don't like the idea of Woods being the #1 for any length of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 @MatthewFairburn 4 interesting things Bills WR coach Sanjay Lal said about Buffalo's receivers http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2016/05/4_interesting_things_bills_wr_coach_sanjay_lal_said_about_buffalos_receivers.html What about Dez Lewis? Anything said about him? Or about Goodwin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I think this scheme, Coaching fit and how young players are developed is a significant factor in what we see from team on the field. Another tick in the box for Coaching continuity ( i did not say rex ) The younger the player the better the chance for a uptick in performance of course. I am hoping one of the Kids steps up and takes off. and Salas will be the # 3 I could see Salas filling a David Nelson role...he is similarly built too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I could see Salas filling a David Nelson role...he is similarly built too That was the first thing I thought when I saw Salas catch a pass last year......David Nelson Who we loved till he got hurt....rememeber? He wont ever be Sammy Watkins.....but....who is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I could see Salas filling a David Nelson role...he is similarly built too I am fine with that honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Again, what do you base this on besides merely you're saying so? It can happen? Sure, it can happen, but what happens in a once in a hundred players scenario is hardly a 50-50 proposition as you just stated. Based on recent history I'd suggest that it's highly unlikely that Woods can do much more than maybe 800-yards and a half-dozen TDs in a superb season for him as a slot WR, which he may not even be able to play if Watkins can't go. I'd say that based on the same history of our current WRs coupled with historic NFL play of the "type" of WR that we have, namely track stars like Goodwin and Listenbee, it's highly likely that not one of those WRs posts more than 500 yards and a handful of TDs and that only because they'll be forced into a starting role. Crappy WRs don't just blossom into top receivers on teams with OL issues, questionable and uncertain QB play, and on a team that has built its offense around the run. Hogan was a contributor but not the type of receiver suited to Taylor's outside throw "talent," or should I say limited repertoire. He'll do much better in NE with Brady hitting him OTM if he gets a chance to play much. If he starts he'll post 800 yards. Either way, we're going to need one of our WRs to step up to more than the 450 yards and 2 TDs that Hogan had last year if Watkins a/o Woods can't play all 16. That's 3/4 WR contribution. Right now we don't have a WR on the team after Watkins that's a bona fide starting 1 or 2 given Taylor's limited arsenal of throws. Treadwell would have been a great fit for him given that he's one of the WRs in this draft that has knack for catching contested balls in traffic. Instead we got a player that isn't even likely to contribute in any significant capacity this season if at all and only then if his shoulder heals quickly. Was the 450 yards a reflection of Hogan or how much we ran the ball and were among the lowest passing teams in terms of raw numbers in the NFL? Obviously more throws would equal more receptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Was the 450 yards a reflection of Hogan or how much we ran the ball and were among the lowest passing teams in terms of raw numbers in the NFL? Obviously more throws would equal more receptions. Oohh that is an interesting question for all the Statistical folks to debate. Compare the routes ran by Hogan and attempted passes to each route would be fun. How about that curl in for short of the chains ? Hard to get extra yards on those passes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 What about Dez Lewis? Anything said about him? Or about Goodwin? This was about the new receivers on the Bills roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 This was about the new receivers on the Bills roster. I would love to know how Dez has developed from a season on the PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Based on what, specifically? I mean just "your thinking so?" Seriously, what do you base this on? Also, allow me to ask, suppose these players were on say Cleveland, would you be saying the same thing? In fact, let's take Cleveland's WR cadre of crap and look at it as their roster currently exists: Apart from Travis Benjamin, who had about the same type of season that Watkins had last year, they have Taylor Gabriel, Dwayne Bowe, Darius Jennings, Ranell Hall, Terrelle Pryor, and Marlon Moore. Do you expect one of those players breaking out and becoming a player of importance too? If so, what's your definition of "player of importance?" Seems to me that Hogan was of at least some importance last season as the prototypical type of player that catches most types of passes in this league, but everyone seems to be poo-poo-ing his loss. Just curious your rationale here. Based on their skill set, our need for an emerging 3rd receiver, past production the number of potential quality players that could fit the bill and my gut feeling. This is my opinion. When I say a player of importance, yes someone like a Hogan. In my view Hogan was a player that positively impacted the team considering he was a low cost option. I think one of these guys through what will most likely be a very contested competition will emerge and become our third receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 And will likely cost more than Hogan did last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Yeah......like I said, I agree about the wr corps after Sammy. Someone might emerge.......but there is much reason to be dubious......they are a flawed bunch.......Listenbee is the only one without skidmarks on his resume and that may be just because he's brand new. I'm not a big Bob Woods fan either. Obviously we agree, I was just curious how you got to your 50/50 comment? I'd say the odds of what you said happening are closer to slim to none. It's highly unlikely. If Sammy can't play I'd all but pencil us in for having one of the worst few passing offenses in the entire league. I guess at that point we'd find out to what extent a largely rushing offense is capable of winning games. The problem with relying on rushing is that your D had better be tight, as in top-three tight. Once you get behind running the ball, without a passing game your fate is usually sealed. Everyone gets two drives a quarter after that, if that, and then it's time to sing "The Party's Over." Was the 450 yards a reflection of Hogan or how much we ran the ball and were among the lowest passing teams in terms of raw numbers in the NFL? Obviously more throws would equal more receptions. You really think we're going to throw more this season, than last w/ Taylor? If we're missing Sammy it'll be a cold day before that happens. I doubt it happens even if Sammy plays much. I could see Salas filling a David Nelson role...he is similarly built too That was the first thing I thought when I saw Salas catch a pass last year......David Nelson Who we loved till he got hurt....rememeber? He wont ever be Sammy Watkins.....but....who is? We are talking about Greg Salas, the player that's been on 6 teams in 5 seasons, was released by both the Pats and Jets as two of them, who has played in only 27 games and has only 2 starts during that time, and that has averaged barely over 100 yards per season and that has not scored a TD in the NFL to date, aren't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Hankerson > Hogan. Lock it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 OK just a guess but Watson, Woods, Easley for ST if back from injury- Hankerson as our speed take the top off guy, Dezmin Lewis as our size jump ball guy and Boykin as our tough hands guy- Listenbee and Allen on practice squad Listenbee at around 6,1 180lbs sounds a little frail to make the team this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 OK just a guess but Watson, Woods, Easley for ST if back from injury- Hankerson as our speed take the top off guy, Dezmin Lewis as our size jump ball guy and Boykin as our tough hands guy- Listenbee and Allen on practice squad Listenbee at around 6,1 180lbs sounds a little frail to make the team this year Except he is not 6'1 180 pounds he is 6' nearly 200 pounds Obviously we agree, I was just curious how you got to your 50/50 comment? I'd say the odds of what you said happening are closer to slim to none. It's highly unlikely. If Sammy can't play I'd all but pencil us in for having one of the worst few passing offenses in the entire league. I guess at that point we'd find out to what extent a largely rushing offense is capable of winning games. The problem with relying on rushing is that your D had better be tight, as in top-three tight. Once you get behind running the ball, without a passing game your fate is usually sealed. Everyone gets two drives a quarter after that, if that, and then it's time to sing "The Party's Over." You really think we're going to throw more this season, than last w/ Taylor? If we're missing Sammy it'll be a cold day before that happens. I doubt it happens even if Sammy plays much. We are talking about Greg Salas, the player that's been on 6 teams in 5 seasons, was released by both the Pats and Jets as two of them, who has played in only 27 games and has only 2 starts during that time, and that has averaged barely over 100 yards per season and that has not scored a TD in the NFL to date, aren't we? There was a time when Hogan was a cast off from Miami.....remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Except he is not 6'1 180 pounds he is 6' nearly 200 pounds just going on what the Bills have him list as - 6,1 183lbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Be pleased to see Dez take a BIG step up. Easley wont start the season i can imagine so someone gets that #6 spot Salas will take the 3 or 4 spot imo just going on what the Bills have him list as - 6,1 183lbs damn medical staff cannot even get THAT right aaarrgghh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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