FireChan Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 So don't draft a player at 19 because he "might" need a surgery in the off season and could play this season and instead draft a lower ranked player who when both are healthy would be a downgrade? That's a losers approach, short term politicians approach. You should run for Mayor of Buffalo if you believe in short term gains over sustained improvement. If that's the argument, why not take Jack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I was told by someone that best case recovery is likely 4 months. That's with no complications and from someone not fully aware of his medical history. Hard to imagine him being good to go on just mental reps for Week 1. Probably put him on the PUP list to start the season and get him back around week 7. No need to rush him, one player will not make or break the defense but for the Bills to compete well into December they need him to be healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 If that's the argument, why not take Jack? Logic which would follow IF every injury was the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) Our medical staff is the worst. Constantly rushing (or atleast allowing) guys back from injuries to get hurt again and now this. They should be fired. And btw his shoulder seemed fine when he was hitting on the receptionist in that "hilarious" rookie tour video. Some say hilarious others say a group of seemingly low intelligence football players slogging through everyday life. Although at one point when Cardale said the standing buffalo looked like a "cowl" for the 5th time i think he was close to going off on a tangent about quantum physics. Edited May 16, 2016 by Estelle Getty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Our medical staff is the worst. Constantly rushing (or atleast allowing) guys back from injuries to get hurt again and now this. They should be fired. And btw his shoulder seemed fine when he was hitting on the receptionist in that "hilarious" rookie tour video. Some say hilarious others say a group of seemingly low intelligence football players slogging through everyday life. Although at one point when Cardale said the standing buffalo looked like a "cowl" for the 5th time i think he was close to going off on a tangent about quantum physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) If that's the argument, why not take Jack? Because Rex's defense requires "throwback" LBers like Ragland. And don't forget Rex alienated the guy Lawson is replacing. To properly define throwback LBers one has to look at what schemes that used to work in the NFL but no longer do, have their LBs do. Ragland fits this perfectly and will fit nicely into the failed system. Lawson, was the correct pick at 19 even though he was hurt because he would have been gone before our 2nd round pick, unlike Ragland who is apparently not as useful in systems which are viable in today's NFL. Jack's ability to rush the QB is not in line with the intent of Rex's D which seems to be leaving the QB alone. Edited May 16, 2016 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 07 PM)Whaley could have just been honest about it being an unfortunate setback. Instead he wrapped it in a bunch of BS Sounds like he's been hanging out with Russ too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) Missing the remainder of any OTA's, training camp, preseason games and possibly up to 4 regular season games, puts Lawson behind the 8 ball in a big way for being productive this season. Not saying it's impossible, just a heck of a lot less likely. Really disappointed in the Bills medical staff. Either lies were told on draft weekend by Bills FO staff after he was selected, or the medical staff who examined him, f***ed up. Edited May 16, 2016 by LabattBlue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Whaley and the head of the medical staff should be fired. Today. The average player lasts three years in the NFL, and you give away one of them on your first-round pick to an injury everyone knew about but you flatly denied. It's clown-car personnel decisions like this that keep the Bills a running punchline. Your logic leaves something to be desired. You are stating that the 19th pick of this years draft is an average player and he will be out the full year? So what? If he's just an average player then I guess he won't really be missed. The Bills can just pick up another average player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 There were no lies told. There was no great-miss by the medical staff. He re-aggravated it during OTA's. https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/732321648347648005 Stop inventing narratives to suit yours, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 That's the best part, honestly. We'll be rid of the fraud at QB. Of course the homers will find a silver lining to this news like the take above. TBDism at its finest..Enjoy the season through your rose colored glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 "Cleared by the medical staff" doesn't guarantee any player any amount health or snaps. At that moment in time, he was fine. Re-injuries are unpredictable AND WHALEY SAID AS MUCH during draft weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) There were no lies told. There was no great-miss by the medical staff. He re-aggravated it during OTA's. https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/732321648347648005 Stop inventing narratives to suit yours, please. the Bills even said something happened last week to make them decide to do it. I don't know why Carucci flew off the handle. So weird. I guess the fake outrage department at the BN was slow. Edited May 16, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Of course the homers will find a silver lining to this news like the take above. TBDism at its finest..Enjoy the season through your rose colored glasses. What's the alternative? No seriously, I'd like to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) This is awful news. Very hard to believe that this guy could be productive at all this year. I can't understand how they would not have known this. If we were going to red shirt our first pick this year, I would rather have Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith. If he really did get hurt at a non-contact OTA, that is an even worse sign. Folks it's non contact Edited May 16, 2016 by davspo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 This is awful news. Very hard to believe that this guy could be productive at all this year. I can't understand how they would not have known this. If we were going to red shirt our first pick this year, I would rather have Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith.they didn't know he needed it before the season until he needed it before the season. He tweaked it last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Can cardale Jones be converted to DE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 This is awful news. Very hard to believe that this guy could be productive at all this year. I can't understand how they would not have known this. If we were going to red shirt our first pick this year, I would rather have Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith. If he really did get hurt at a non-contact OTA, that is an even worse sign. Folks it's non contact Did you feel the same way when Dante Fowler went down last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 they didn't know he needed it before the season until he needed it before the season. He tweaked it last week. And I'm sure it was something along the lines of, if it's that easy to tweak might as well fix it now, instead of go through the season and have him keep tweaking it. Could he have played the season without it? We will never know but maybe he could have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Our medical staff is the worst. Constantly rushing (or atleast allowing) guys back from injuries to get hurt again and now this. They should be fired. And btw his shoulder seemed fine when he was hitting on the receptionist in that "hilarious" rookie tour video. Some say hilarious others say a group of seemingly low intelligence football players slogging through everyday life. Although at one point when Cardale said the standing buffalo looked like a "cowl" for the 5th time i think he was close to going off on a tangent about quantum physics. Accurate, hysterically funny and a sad commentary all at the same time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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