YoloinOhio Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I would certainly love to have them both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I would certainly love to have them both.What scares me about Williams is that he seems almost too tall. Looks like it hurts his suddenness and his ability to get in and out of breaks. Very competitive, strong hands though. Can really go up and get it. Would certainly be a nice peice to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 What scares me about Williams is that he seems almost too tall. Looks like it hurts his suddenness and his ability to get in and out of breaks. Very competitive, strong hands though. Can really go up and get it. Would certainly be a nice peice to have. His hands are actually my concern. He was clutch in the National Title game but he had his fair share of bad drops this past year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 15: R1P15 CB MARSHON LATTIMORE OHIO STATE 44: R2P12 S OBI MELIFONWU UCONN 46: R2P14 TE EVAN ENGRAM OLE MISS 75: R3P11 WR CURTIS SAMUEL OHIO STATE 121: R4P14 QB CHAD KELLY OLE MISS 156: R5P12 LB ALEX ANZALONE FLORIDA 171: R5P27 WR AMBA ETTA-TAWO SYRACUSE 195: R6P11 OT DAN SKIPPER ARKANSAS traded down with the Colts and picked up their 1st, 2nd, and 4th. If this were our draft I think it would go down as one of the best classes in history. Potential starters at every position of need plus immediate starters at corner, safety, tight end, and receiver sign me up for this, although I think Skipper is too stiff to play Tackle in our system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Hey Blokes, got anything on TE Adam Shaheen 6'7" 278 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 With Youngstown State DE Derek Rivers visiting the Bills at some point on a pre-draft visit, I took a look at his game. http://billswire.usatoday.com/2017/03/22/bills-2017-nfl-draft-targets-youngstown-state-de-derek-rivers-scouting-report/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 sign me up for this, although I think Skipper is too stiff to play Tackle in our system. yes, i'd be in love with that draft and if we sign brown. our defense would be legit. engram would be so good as a pass catching tight end. guy is as fast as a wr. be lining up in the slot all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Hey Blokes, got anything on TE Adam Shaheen 6'7" 278 ? I've only seen a highlight reel so far. Draft Breakdown has a couple games up so if they add a couple more, I might make some notes. I tried emailing one of his coaches at Ashland a couple months ago for some game film. No reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Just spitballing: 1 Peppers - LB/S - Michigan 2 Tankersly - CB - Clemson 3 Smith-Schuster - WR - USC 5 Davis - DE - UT-Chattanooga 5 Langley - CB - Lamar 6 Evans - QB - Virginia Tech I know, I know, not many like Peppers this high, but it just seems like a good fit schematically. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Just spitballing: 1 Peppers - LB/S - Michigan 2 Tankersly - CB - Clemson 3 Smith-Schuster - WR - USC 5 Davis - DE - UT-Chattanooga 5 Langley - CB - Lamar 6 Evans - QB - Virginia Tech I know, I know, not many like Peppers this high, but it just seems like a good fit schematically. Thoughts? Peppers is my nightmare. We don't know if the guy is good at football. He is a great athlete but the production doesn't match. The Bills aren't in a position to take a guy that could be terrible in the top 10. Top 10 guys are high floor, high ceiling players with the exception of a QB. QBs sometimes you have to overlook certain issues to secure them because they are bumped up. I would never take a guy in the top 10 that doesn't have Pro Bowl upside and starter downside. I like a lot of your draft though otherwise. Tankersly in the 2nd feels like a fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Peppers is my nightmare. We don't know if the guy is good at football. He is a great athlete but the production doesn't match. The Bills aren't in a position to take a guy that could be terrible in the top 10. Top 10 guys are high floor, high ceiling players with the exception of a QB. QBs sometimes you have to overlook certain issues to secure them because they are bumped up. I would never take a guy in the top 10 that doesn't have Pro Bowl upside and starter downside. I like a lot of your draft though otherwise. Tankersly in the 2nd feels like a fit. This is what I have been trying to verbalize about Howard as well. Both he and Peppers at 10 would have me nervous (read as pretty sure they will suck because BBFS) lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Peppers is my nightmare. We don't know if the guy is good at football. He is a great athlete but the production doesn't match. The Bills aren't in a position to take a guy that could be terrible in the top 10. Top 10 guys are high floor, high ceiling players with the exception of a QB. QBs sometimes you have to overlook certain issues to secure them because they are bumped up. I would never take a guy in the top 10 that doesn't have Pro Bowl upside and starter downside. I like a lot of your draft though otherwise. Tankersly in the 2nd feels like a fit. Re: bold - C'mon, I mean I agree he's not a slam dunk elite type prospect, but if anything he's proven that he can play football at a high level all over the field. I think a lot see Peppers as a Shaq Thompson/Troy Polamalu/Tyrann Mathieu type who makes plays and could very well end up a Pro Bowler (not that such a title means anything). But yeah, agreed that Tankersly seems like great value at 44. Darby, Tankersly, and Seymour CB1-3... OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Re: bold - C'mon, I mean I agree he's not a slam dunk elite type prospect, but if anything he's proven that he can play football at a high level all over the field. I think a lot see Peppers as a Shaq Thompson/Troy Polamalu/Tyrann Mathieu type who makes plays and could very well end up a Pro Bowler (not that such a title means anything). But yeah, agreed that Tankersly seems like great value at 44. Darby, Tankersly, and Seymour CB1-3... OK. He has one more turnover than I do. He is too small to play LB and doesn't have the hips to play CB. Is he a safety? Could he be this new age hybrid? Maybe, but I am not using a top 10 pick on a guy that has no position and no production. This is the EXACT same thing that I said about Barkevious Mingo when he came out. He checks the box of Pro Bowl upside because of his athleticism but in no way does he check the box of starter downside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 He has one more turnover than I do. He is too small to play LB and doesn't have the hips to play CB. Is he a safety? Could he be this new age hybrid? Maybe, but I am not using a top 10 pick on a guy that has no position and no production. This is the EXACT same thing that I said about Barkevious Mingo when he came out. He checks the box of Pro Bowl upside because of his athleticism but in no way does he check the box of starter downside. If he's tackling and making plays on the ball, then I'm just as happy to have him returning a punt as returning an interception. I think he very well might be viewed as the new age hybrid type. If you are saying few interceptions = no production, then I have to disagree. I'd have traded a couple of Gilmore's INTs for some more hard/technically sound tackles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 22, 2017 Author Share Posted March 22, 2017 @SInow Mock Draft: @ChrisBurke_SI proposes five trades that might make sense in Round 1 http://on.si.com/2nJDdwR 10. Marshon Lattimore CB, Ohio State Buffalo lost Stephon Gilmore to New England and, as of March 22, still needs a replacement for him atop the depth chart. Lattimore comes with a history of hamstring injuries, but he is a physically assertive cornerback ready-made for NFL success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) If he's tackling and making plays on the ball, then I'm just as happy to have him returning a punt as returning an interception. I think he very well might be viewed as the new age hybrid type. If you are saying few interceptions = no production, then I have to disagree. I'd have traded a couple of Gilmore's INTs for some more hard/technically sound tackles. He doesn't tackle and make plays on the ball. He is BAD in coverage which is why people are concerned. He is electric with the ball in his hands. He makes more sense on offense IMO. He may be viewed as a hybrid player but he doesn't have the production in college of someone like the Honey Badger. He is one of the greatest college players that I have ever seen. His instincts and playmaking abilities were absolutely off the charts. Mathieu had 4 INTS, 11 FF, and 8 FR as a freshman & sophomore, Peppers had 1 turnover in 3 seasons!! I don't think that people comprehend just how good the Honey Badger was. Those players can't be compared. Mathieu also had a lot more tackles and that is despite the fact that Peppers played in the box.When we look at Peppers upside we also have to look at his downside. His floor is REALLY low. He is Mingo. They were both physical freaks with limited production. I would never, ever take a guy like that in the top 10. At the same time I would never take someone like Jake Mathews in the top 10. His upside was too limited for me. He was going to be a solid starter from draft night to retirement but never a difference maker. High floor and high ceiling in the top 10. Edited March 22, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 At the same time I would never take someone like Jake Mathews in the top 10. His upside was too limited for me. He was going to be a solid starter from draft night to retirement but never a difference maker. High floor and high ceiling in the top 10. I would take someone I thought was a solid 10 year starter at left tackle in the top 10. I still value solidity at left tackle and Matthews has been pretty good the past two years. you may recall I was Matthews > Robinson as my #1 LT in that draft.... though the pick of the bunch has been Taylor Lewan who I thought might have to slide inside to guard so I can't claim to have totally nailed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 He doesn't tackle and make plays on the ball. He is BAD in coverage which is why people are concerned. He is electric with the ball in his hands. He makes more sense on offense IMO. He may be viewed as a hybrid player but he doesn't have the production in college of someone like the Honey Badger. He is one of the greatest college players that I have ever seen. His instincts and playmaking abilities were absolutely off the charts. Mathieu had 4 INTS, 11 FF, and 8 FR as a freshman & sophomore, Peppers had 1 turnover in 3 seasons!! I don't think that people comprehend just how good the Honey Badger was. hose players can't be compared. Mathieu also had a lot more tackles and that is despite the fact that Peppers played in the box. When we look at Peppers upside we also have to look at his downside. His floor is REALLY low. He is Mingo. They were both physical freaks with limited production. I would never, ever take a guy like that in the top 10. At the same time I would never take someone like Jake Mathews in the top 10. His upside was too limited for me. He was going to be a solid starter from draft night to retirement but never a difference maker. High floor and high ceiling in the top 10. He also returned a couple punts for touchdowns. He was as electric of a player as I can remember at any level. He was a one man gang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 The Chargers can draft Peppers so Lynn can use him to run the wildcat. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 The Chargers can draft Peppers so Lynn can use him to run the wildcat. They do need to replace Danny Woodhead so I'm not against that idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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