PromoTheRobot Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Sow in today's play now NFL how does a team " make time?"Answer: You still make time. Tell the fans and media to put a sock in it and develop your QBs. That Hot Pocket still needs to time to heat up. Edited March 15, 2016 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I think the lack of great QB's in the NFL is primarily due to the fact that players are leaving a lot earlier on average more than they used to. It's the same with basketball. QB's coming out after 2-3 years, that extra year really helps with their development and understanding of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) The problem is that success in college = wildcat offense. Wildcat offense does not = success in the NFL. The speed and athleticism of NFL lineman (OL and DL) defeats wildcat offense. As many posters have suggested: you need developmental QBs. That would bridge the gap from college/wildcat to NFL. Or, another league. Jim Kelly developed in the USFL. Kurt Warner developed in the arena league and NFL Europe. A place is needed where QB's can grow after college. Edited March 14, 2016 by boater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 The problem is that success in college = wildcat offense. Wildcat offense does not = success in the NFL. The speed and athleticism of NFL lineman (OL and DL) defeats wildcat offense. As many posters have suggested: you need developmental QBs. That would bridge the gap from college/wildcat to NFL. Or, another league. Jim Kelly developed in the USFL. Kurt Warner developed in the arena league and NFL Europe. A place is needed where QB's can grow after college. Â Â Wait....what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 This. Teams used to have their drafted QB's sit behind veteran for a few years before giving them the reigns to the offense. Everyone expects most QB's to be great right away out of college. I think that if teams actually allowed a QB to develop, there would be more starting caliber QB's in the league today. If Teams could even retain Coaches for more than 3 years ! Answer: You still make time. Tell the fans and media to put a sock in it and develop your QBs. That Hot Pockets still needs to time to heat up. screw botulism! I am hungry NOW Microwave mentality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Lack of good young QBs?  Jameis - polished passing prospect, would be the #1 pick in almost any non-Luck draft, the only real concern are some character flags, though a lot of it can be brushed off as immaturity and hearsay.  Mariota - Aces the character concerns of Jameis, but some questions about the scheme he played in during college. Still showed so flashes on a very bad team.  Bortles - Really started to come around at the end of the year, again was put into a situation without a lot of talent but there's plenty of reasons for optimism.  Derrick Carr - Might sound ridiculous to say, but I think he likely would have gotten drafted higher had his brother not been a flameout as a #1 pick. Oakland is certainly optimistic about his future.  Bridgewater - A pretty polished prospect in his own right, there were some concerns with his arm strength coming out, but he's put Minnesota into the playoffs and won their division last year.  Russell Wilson - Concerns about his size caused him to drop down the board, but he's certainly put those aside.  Luck - Is Luck.  That's 7 franchises that feel they've found their QB of the present and future in the last 3 drafts. It also doesn't count guys like Cousins, who was also in Luck's class. Even in the vaunted 1983 draft, half the QBs in the first round were complete busts. There were 3 HOF QBs and everyone talks about that draft like each team got a Pro Bowl QB out of it. Teams really like Wentz and Goff, that's why the knocks on them are things like "Played at a small school" and "has small hands", no one wants to come out and say "we really like this kid" over a month before the draft, especially when the 1st pick is readily available. Of that list only Russell and Luck are proven. Granted it is still early but it is a leap outside of these two guys to suggest that as QB's they have arrived. Look at the data from 10 drafts showing the first five QB's selected in that year. I arbitrarily have left the last two drafts out as it is very early days for those players:  +++ indicates probable HOF player ++ likely to be consensus pick for excellent talent but not HOF level + Starter in NFL but not universally considered excellent (?+) tweener could go up or down   2004 Eli Manning ++(?+) Phillip Rivers +(?+) Ben Roethlesberger +++ JP Losman Matt Schaub  2005 Alex Smith Aaron Rogers +++ Jason Campbell Charlie Frye David Greene  2006 Vince Young Matt Leinart (?+) Jay Cutler Kellen Clemens TavarisJackson  2007 Jamarcus Russell Brady Quinn Kevin Kolb John Beck Drew Stanton  2008 Matt Ryan + (?+) Joe Flacco + (?+) Brian Brohm John David Booty Dennis Dixon  2009 Matthew Stafford+ Mark Sanchez Josh Freeman Pat White Stephen McGee  2010 Sam Bradford Tim Tebow Jimmy Clausen Colt McCoy Mike Kafka  2011 Cam Newton ++ Jake Locker Blaine Gabbert Christian Ponder Andy Dalton+(?+)  2012 Andrew Luck+(?+) RG III Ryan Tannehill (?+) Russell Wilson ++(?+) Nick Foles  2013 EJ Manuel Mike Glennon Matt Barkley Ryan Nassib  So if you buy these ratings you go all the way back to 2005 before you get a for sure HOF QB. I do think barring injury Wilson, Luck and Newton will make it. More importantly, over that period you only have on average one guy per year that makes a solid unquestioned starter. Also, half of those years, 5 of them, did not produce an unquestioned excellent starter.  The point being no wonder if you are a team like the Bills on the outside looking in for a QB it is really hard to find one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Coaching talent may be a larger contributing factor to lack of quality QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 This. Teams used to have their drafted QB's sit behind veteran for a few years before giving them the reigns to the offense. Everyone expects most QB's to be great right away out of college. I think that if teams actually allowed a QB to develop, there would be more starting caliber QB's in the league today. Agree if Manuel got to sit on the bench for 4years before starting he would not have choked in London like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Coaching talent may be a larger contributing factor to lack of quality QBs. Between that and the transition i think you might be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Lack of good young QBs? Â Jameis - polished passing prospect, would be the #1 pick in almost any non-Luck draft, the only real concern are some character flags, though a lot of it can be brushed off as immaturity and hearsay. Â Mariota - Aces the character concerns of Jameis, but some questions about the scheme he played in during college. Still showed so flashes on a very bad team. Â Bortles - Really started to come around at the end of the year, again was put into a situation without a lot of talent but there's plenty of reasons for optimism. Â Derrick Carr - Might sound ridiculous to say, but I think he likely would have gotten drafted higher had his brother not been a flameout as a #1 pick. Oakland is certainly optimistic about his future. Â Bridgewater - A pretty polished prospect in his own right, there were some concerns with his arm strength coming out, but he's put Minnesota into the playoffs and won their division last year. Â Russell Wilson - Concerns about his size caused him to drop down the board, but he's certainly put those aside. Â Luck - Is Luck. Â That's 7 franchises that feel they've found their QB of the present and future in the last 3 drafts. It also doesn't count guys like Cousins, who was also in Luck's class. Even in the vaunted 1983 draft, half the QBs in the first round were complete busts. There were 3 HOF QBs and everyone talks about that draft like each team got a Pro Bowl QB out of it. Teams really like Wentz and Goff, that's why the knocks on them are things like "Played at a small school" and "has small hands", no one wants to come out and say "we really like this kid" over a month before the draft, especially when the 1st pick is readily available. Speaking of WIlson mark my words....someone is gonna get lucky signing Vernon Adams jr in the 5th round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 The game has changed to favor passing offenses; accordingly the play of the QB is more important in winning games (success), more so than it ever has been before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) This is simply not true. Who's an average QB in the NFL? Like around the 15th best QB? Matt Stafford? You think the 15th best QB in 1986 was better than Matt Stafford? The 15th best QB in 1986 was lucky to throw for 3,000 yards and have more TD's than INT's. I realize the numbers are inflated now but this simply isn't true. In fact, the opposite is probably true. Jim Kelly hovered around the 5th-10th best QB in the league for much of his career. Do you have any idea how many flaws he had in his game? Half of Buffalo wanted Frank Reich to start at any given time. As time passes, we tend to glorify the careers and forget about the flaws of players from bygone eras. The QB play is better than ever- whether or not it is due to rule changes, that is another conversation. But it certainly isn't killing anything. I watched an hour's worth of red zone channel from week 1 of the past season on the NFL Network last night before I even realized I was watching it. The NFL is doing just fine. Edited March 14, 2016 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 If you combined the less physical nature of the position today with the decreased mental workload of the 1970's and 1980's there would be an abundance of QB talent because there has never been more size, arm strength and athleticism at the position than there is now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Of that list only Russell and Luck are proven. Granted it is still early but it is a leap outside of these two guys to suggest that as QB's they have arrived. Look at the data from 10 drafts showing the first five QB's selected in that year. I arbitrarily have left the last two drafts out as it is very early days for those players:  +++ indicates probable HOF player ++ likely to be consensus pick for excellent talent but not HOF level + Starter in NFL but not universally considered excellent (?+) tweener could go up or down   2004 Eli Manning ++(?+) Phillip Rivers +(?+) Ben Roethlesberger +++ JP Losman Matt Schaub  2005 Alex Smith Aaron Rogers +++ Jason Campbell Charlie Frye David Greene  2006 Vince Young Matt Leinart (?+) Jay Cutler Kellen Clemens TavarisJackson  2007 Jamarcus Russell Brady Quinn Kevin Kolb John Beck Drew Stanton  2008 Matt Ryan + (?+) Joe Flacco + (?+) Brian Brohm John David Booty Dennis Dixon  2009 Matthew Stafford+ Mark Sanchez Josh Freeman Pat White Stephen McGee  2010 Sam Bradford Tim Tebow Jimmy Clausen Colt McCoy Mike Kafka  2011 Cam Newton ++ Jake Locker Blaine Gabbert Christian Ponder Andy Dalton+(?+)  2012 Andrew Luck+(?+) RG III Ryan Tannehill (?+) Russell Wilson ++(?+) Nick Foles  2013 EJ Manuel Mike Glennon Matt Barkley Ryan Nassib  So if you buy these ratings you go all the way back to 2005 before you get a for sure HOF QB. I do think barring injury Wilson, Luck and Newton will make it. More importantly, over that period you only have on average one guy per year that makes a solid unquestioned starter. Also, half of those years, 5 of them, did not produce an unquestioned excellent starter.  The point being no wonder if you are a team like the Bills on the outside looking in for a QB it is really hard to find one. Matt Leinart? Say what? Edited March 14, 2016 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Matt Leinart? Say what? Â I imagine that was meant for Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Â I imagine that was meant for Cutler. OK that's what I was thinking. I think that list/rating scale is a bit harsh though. Cutler, like him or not, is not a "tweener." He is firmly established as an NFL starter. Sam Bradford may be more of a tweener and there is nothing next to his name. Also, Rivers is a two-star guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Of that list only Russell and Luck are proven. Granted it is still early but it is a leap outside of these two guys to suggest that as QB's they have arrived. Look at the data from 10 drafts showing the first five QB's selected in that year. I arbitrarily have left the last two drafts out as it is very early days for those players: +++ indicates probable HOF player ++ likely to be consensus pick for excellent talent but not HOF level + Starter in NFL but not universally considered excellent (?+) tweener could go up or down 2004 Eli Manning ++(?+) Phillip Rivers +(?+) Ben Roethlesberger +++ JP Losman Matt Schaub 2005 Alex Smith Aaron Rogers +++ Jason Campbell Charlie Frye David Greene 2006 Vince Young Matt Leinart (?+) Jay Cutler Kellen Clemens TavarisJackson 2007 Jamarcus Russell Brady Quinn Kevin Kolb John Beck Drew Stanton 2008 Matt Ryan + (?+) Joe Flacco + (?+) Brian Brohm John David Booty Dennis Dixon 2009 Matthew Stafford+ Mark Sanchez Josh Freeman Pat White Stephen McGee 2010 Sam Bradford Tim Tebow Jimmy Clausen Colt McCoy Mike Kafka 2011 Cam Newton ++ Jake Locker Blaine Gabbert Christian Ponder Andy Dalton+(?+) 2012 Andrew Luck+(?+) RG III Ryan Tannehill (?+) Russell Wilson ++(?+) Nick Foles 2013 EJ Manuel Mike Glennon Matt Barkley Ryan Nassib So if you buy these ratings you go all the way back to 2005 before you get a for sure HOF QB. I do think barring injury Wilson, Luck and Newton will make it. More importantly, over that period you only have on average one guy per year that makes a solid unquestioned starter. Also, half of those years, 5 of them, did not produce an unquestioned excellent starter. The point being no wonder if you are a team like the Bills on the outside looking in for a QB it is really hard to find one. Well done and this is what I and others have been trying to say. There is a very limited number of people on the planet that have the ability to be good or better NFL QBs. If it were as simple as "draft someone and develop them for 3-4 years, then every team would have a great QB. If it was as simple as "draft one and let him take his lumps as a starter while getting better for 3-4 years - then every team would have one. Â It isn't as simple as the NFL has a win-now culture and won't wait for guys to develop. It isn't as simple as blaming the college schemes - today's spread offenses in college are BETTER for QB development than the triple option run by many colleges in years past. Â The premise that there are fewer good NFL QBs today than in years past is flat false Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Well done and this is what I and others have been trying to say. There is a very limited number of people on the planet that have the ability to be good or better NFL QBs. If it were as simple as "draft someone and develop them for 3-4 years, then every team would have a great QB. If it was as simple as "draft one and let him take his lumps as a starter while getting better for 3-4 years - then every team would have one.  It isn't as simple as the NFL has a win-now culture and won't wait for guys to develop. It isn't as simple as blaming the college schemes - today's spread offenses in college are BETTER for QB development than the triple option run by many colleges in years past.  The premise that there are fewer good NFL QBs today than in years past is flat false  Disagree. With so many college offenses having QBs who don't drop back, read the entire field, or call audibles there are many come into the NFL ill prepared to do what will be asked of them at the NFL level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Sow in today's play now NFL how does a team " make time?" How can they give reps given NFLPA's restrictions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Allow defenses to hit receivers u til ball is in the air, start calling offense holding and quit protecting the kitty QBs and you solve the issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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