nucci Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 The most important thing we lost last year when Freddie was cut, was leadership. The team had NO leaders among the players. Shockingly, there were NO players-only meetings. To my mind, that was the biggest problem, even more than Wrecks destroying the defense. It wouldn't have been destroyed if some leaders among the players had straightened everyone out. But NO ONE stepped up. I considered suggesting bringing Jackson back just for his leadership abilities. The problem is, leadership in the locker room requires performance on the field. By next year, even more of the Bills will have never played with Jackson, and have no idea what kind of player he was. He would be a seldom-used backup, trying to tell younger, more-effective players how to conduct themselves. They would blow him off, and everyone involved would be miserable. Come back to Buffalo, Freddie. Settle in down the street from Thurman Thomas, and you and he can play catch with your kids in the street. I'd pay money to see that. You would? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Well count me in the minority who still think he can play. He's never been fast, so I'm not sure where this whole "he's lost a step" thing is coming from. He wasn't really used in the running game with the Seahawks. I think he'll get a shot somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 It's actually $400k less than Boobie's deal if we signed Fred to a vet minimum. FC - Good to know. i love when you guys are able to pull up these details as I wouldn't know where to look. I guess the one thing I'd want to bring him back is a willingness and can show he can be effective on special teams. By his own admission, the last three years he has been increasing his size to be a better power player. He stated this on NFLR last summer. His argument to the hosts is many older RB's try and keep losing weight to keep their speed up. He went the other way to use his power to keep playing. I'd love to have him back if he could prove in camp he can be an impact ST player, and basically a passing threat, and pass pro. He'd be great for Karlos Williams development teaching him the nuances of pass pro, and pass catching abilities. I seriously doubt that would happen so i stick behind my earlier comment, he could get called off the street mid season but probably would not get a tryout in camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 FC - Good to know. i love when you guys are able to pull up these details as I wouldn't know where to look. I guess the one thing I'd want to bring him back is a willingness and can show he can be effective on special teams. By his own admission, the last three years he has been increasing his size to be a better power player. He stated this on NFLR last summer. His argument to the hosts is many older RB's try and keep losing weight to keep their speed up. He went the other way to use his power to keep playing. I'd love to have him back if he could prove in camp he can be an impact ST player, and basically a passing threat, and pass pro. He'd be great for Karlos Williams development teaching him the nuances of pass pro, and pass catching abilities. I seriously doubt that would happen so i stick behind my earlier comment, he could get called off the street mid season but probably would not get a tryout in camp. Just for reference, Sportrac is one of the best websites for that stuff. https://www.spotrac.com/blog/nfl-minimum-salaries-for-2015-and-the-veteran-cap-benefit-rule/ http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/anthony-dixon/ I'd love to have Fred back over Boobie. If we just roll with McCoy, Karlos and Gillislee, that's fine too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 It's actually $400k less than Boobie's deal if we signed Fred to a vet minimum. Well in that case... Maybe bring him in for the 90 man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Well count me in the minority who still think he can play. He's never been fast, so I'm not sure where this whole "he's lost a step" thing is coming from. He wasn't really used in the running game with the Seahawks. I think he'll get a shot somewhere. You can still lose a step even if you're not considered fast. You just become slower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Please walk away, Fred. Sign a one-day contract in Buffalo and retire a Bill. I hate it when these guys hang on too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) If Boobie goes it is because they draft a RB. Would they bring Fred back? I doubt it. I wouldn't be surprised if they cut some of the vets Mario, Kyle, McKelvin, Graham, Urbik, etc. to gain a new group that follows the Ryan era. Edited February 23, 2016 by KollegeStudnet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMan Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 The most important thing we lost last year when Freddie was cut, was leadership. The team had NO leaders among the players. Shockingly, there were NO players-only meetings. To my mind, that was the biggest problem, even more than Wrecks destroying the defense. It wouldn't have been destroyed if some leaders among the players had straightened everyone out. But NO ONE stepped up. I considered suggesting bringing Jackson back just for his leadership abilities. The problem is, leadership in the locker room requires performance on the field. By next year, even more of the Bills will have never played with Jackson, and have no idea what kind of player he was. He would be a seldom-used backup, trying to tell younger, more-effective players how to conduct themselves. They would blow him off, and everyone involved would be miserable. Come back to Buffalo, Freddie. Settle in down the street from Thurman Thomas, and you and he can play catch with your kids in the street. I'd pay money to see that. Awsome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 If Boobie goes it is because they draft a RB. Would they bring Fred back, I doubt it.i could see Boobie gone and not drafting one. Sign a UDFA. They would have McCoy, Karlos, Gillislee, Wilder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 i could see Boobie gone and not drafting one. Sign a UDFA. They would have McCoy, Karlos, Gillislee, Wilder. True. Gillislee and Wilder looked good. UDFA more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Well count me in the minority who still think he can play. He's never been fast, so I'm not sure where this whole "he's lost a step" thing is coming from. He wasn't really used in the running game with the Seahawks. I think he'll get a shot somewhere. You're right he's never been "fast" but he did other things to make up for it. Now he's so slow that he can't use those other tools. It's like he's running in soft sand out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) I loved Fred when he was here but I think the leadership void was a bit overstated when he left. We needed the QB who came from a SB winning team to step up as the leader, not a RB on his last legs who never won anything. I am sure that sounds bad and I'm sorry, but the guys said Fred was the one everyone listened before. We need them to rally behind TT, not a retiring part time RB. It was time for Fred to move on if he wasn't going to contribute on the field. TT came from the type of culture we want to establish. Fred came from the type of culture we want to leave behind. We need to move forward with new leaders. Edited February 23, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000637586/article/fred-jackson-wants-to-continue-career-in-2016?campaign=Twitter_atn He's a 35 year old FA... Think he gets a contract anywhere? Old Fred is a dreamer! Please walk away, Fred. Sign a one-day contract in Buffalo and retire a Bill. I hate it when these guys hang on too long. Indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 He is done. Look no further than his last season. It is time for him to retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Bring him in, work him out. See what his actual speed and quickness are like with the stopwatch. We know he has all the intangibles, let's see the data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 i could see Boobie gone and not drafting one. Sign a UDFA. They would have McCoy, Karlos, Gillislee, Wilder. True. Gillislee and Wilder looked good. UDFA more likely. Have we all forgotten Cierre Wood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 Have we all forgotten Cierre Wood? is he on IR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 is he on IR? Yes he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 You would? I'm not sure Utah John meant that literally. Utah John....good post. I agree with your take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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