dave mcbride Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 it's fairly deeply reported too. For those who think it's a good piece (as I do), remember it the next time you think about writing that everyone at the BN sucks except for Tyler Dunne ... http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/02/13/bills-pairing-of-rex-ryan-jim-schwartz-never-stood-a-chance/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 it's fairly deeply reported too. For those who think it's a good piece (as I do), remember it the next time you think about writing that everyone at the BN sucks except for Tyler Dunne ... http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/02/13/bills-pairing-of-rex-ryan-jim-schwartz-never-stood-a-chance/ I agree, good piece. The most intriguing thing to me is the description of the whiplash Schwartz got - that Bills FO officials were saying "we want Schwartz to stay" whilst Rex had Dennis Thurman moving his things into Schwartz office, all without having a discussion with Schwartz, then finally telling Schwartz he was terminated. At face value, it sounds as though Rex (at best) misled the Pegulas and the Bills as to his intent for the defense then behaved like a tool to Schwartz while not communicating his intentions clearly. At worst, it sounds as though he (at least verbally) committed to leaving the D intact and retaining Schwartz, then once his contract was signed and he was in the building, reneged. Either way, that's a crap way to behave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Playoffs or he's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 This organization seems to fall for every huckster, snake oil salesman and circus barker in the business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 it's fairly deeply reported too. For those who think it's a good piece (as I do), remember it the next time you think about writing that everyone at the BN sucks except for Tyler Dunne ... http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/02/13/bills-pairing-of-rex-ryan-jim-schwartz-never-stood-a-chance/ Couple of points...I don't think anyone has ever thrown Vic in with Sully, Gleason and Harrington. 2nd, i did think it was a good article. If the Schwartz thing went down as penned, pretty awful on Rex. I don't put a ton of stock into what an ex-coach says..not saying right or wrong, just saying I am sure the guy was pretty cheesed off at Rex , maybe with good reason, but still with a reason to talk trash on Rex. L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 (edited) Funny how "continuity" lost out when it came to keeping Schwartz and his top-ranked defense, but a year later this same "continuity" was cited as the biggest reason we now have to endure another year of Rex's clown show. Edited February 14, 2016 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Seems a little one-sided, and I don't buy that the Pegulas thought Schwartz was staying. If they really wanted him to stay they wouldn't have hired Rex. That's not a match at all. Even if Rex had kept him it wouldn't have made sense. Not how Rex coaches.... He calls the plays. They have very different defensive philosophies. The anonymous coach may be accurately portraying some things. I have no idea. Otherwise, nothing new was presented in the article that hasn't been hashed and rehashed a thousand times. I have never thought Vic was a poor writer. I have thought he may have a poor source on some things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Wait. So EVERYONE wanted to keep Schwartz, including te Pegulas and Rex overruled the owners? How does that even happen? This guys a bum. I have no doubt this is his last year as head coach. Well here is how I answer this. Speculation. Suddenly he is a great writer? 1/3 of his article is speculation because Swartz didn't want to be involved. He has moved on. If Swartz wanted to stay under Rex I'm sure Pegulas would have made it happen. You cant convince me he wanted to stay unless I hear or read it from a quote from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Seems a little one-sided, and I don't buy that the Pegulas thought Schwartz was staying. If they really wanted him to stay they wouldn't have hired Rex. That's not a match at all. Even if Rex had kept him it wouldn't have made sense. Not how Rex coaches.... He calls the plays. They have very different defensive philosophies. The anonymous coach may be accurately portraying some things. I have no idea. Otherwise, nothing new was presented in the article that hasn't been hashed and rehashed a thousand times. I have never thought Vic was a poor writer. I have thought he may have a poor source on some things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 If Rex really behaved that way towards Jim Schwartz it was classless. This is not some bum you are dealing with - do him the courtesy of a telephone call at least. I was a huge Schwartz fan - I advocated his hiring on here pretty much as soon as the Pettine to the Browns rumours started... but I did not expect the defense to fall off so badly under Rex. I want to buy back in and I am trying not to just fill the vacuum of this time of year with more and more Rex criticism, but I do genuinely think that this will be his final season as an NFL Head Coach. I think the Bills will fire him and he will end up on ESPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Did anyone here really believe Ryan was going to keep Schwartz based on his coaching history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 #1 - Rex is an outstanding defensive coach and a pretty good head coach. #2- he was NOT a good fit for the Bills #3- blame Russ Brandon whose priority was making a splash to sell tickets, suites and corporate sponsorships (mission accomplished) . #4 - 2 steps back (2015 & 2016) before 1 step forward (2017 playoffs) if they survive. otherwise rinse, repeat new regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 #1 - Rex is an outstanding defensive coach and a pretty good head coach. #2- he was NOT a good fit for the Bills #3- blame Russ Brandon whose priority was making a splash to sell tickets, suites and corporate sponsorships (mission accomplished) . #4 - 2 steps back (2015 & 2016) before 1 step forward (2017 playoffs) if they survive. otherwise rinse, repeat new regime. So Brandon made the call over the Pegula's and Whaley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I thought the story at the time was that Schwartz was given the opportunity to stay on, but chose to leave on his own (not that anyone realistically expected him to stay). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Vic has been consistently willing to follow misleading sources since he arrived back in Buffao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Did anyone here really believe Ryan was going to keep Schwartz based on his coaching history? I think that's the wrong question. As reported in that article, someone at OBD believed Ryan was going to keep Schwartz. The question is "who?" and "what was the basis for that belief?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Seems a little one-sided, and I don't buy that the Pegulas thought Schwartz was staying. If they really wanted him to stay they wouldn't have hired Rex. That's not a match at all. Even if Rex had kept him it wouldn't have made sense. Not how Rex coaches.... He calls the plays. They have very different defensive philosophies. The anonymous coach may be accurately portraying some things. I have no idea. Otherwise, nothing new was presented in the article that hasn't been hashed and rehashed a thousand times. I have never thought Vic was a poor writer. I have thought he may have a poor source on some things. Even more - if they really wanted Schwartz to stay, they wouldn't have let him leave. He was under contract IIRC. That said, the Rex hire is looking worse and worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I thought the story at the time was that Schwartz was given the opportunity to stay on, but chose to leave on his own (not that anyone realistically expected him to stay). If my boss hired a new guy with my title and moved him into my office, I'd "choose to leave on my own". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I didn't expect Schwartz to stay on when I heard Rex was hired. I don't know why anyone else would have thought he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 (edited) I didn't expect Schwartz to stay on when I heard Rex was hired. I don't know why anyone else would have thought he would. Good question. Carrucci is reporting that a "high ranking Bills official" not only thought so, but said so: “Have every intention of keeping” Schwartz, a high-ranking Bills official texted a Buffalo News reporter on Jan. 11, 2015, as the team was finalizing an agreement to make Rex Ryan the new head man. “Rex wants to win, whoever is doing the ‘D’ doesn’t matter,” the high-ranking team official insisted in another text on Jan. 11, 2015. “It’s what’s best for the team.” So why would that "high ranking Bills official" whoever he may be, think so? Edited February 14, 2016 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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