dave mcbride Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Good stuff. Have at it: http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/01/15/249280/ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 The part I found most interesting was where Billick (I think) suggested they game plan next year to make Tyrod throw 30-50 times a game, because it will help develop him as a passer. Essentially develop Tyrod at the possible expense of winning games. It's an interesting idea but player development is a dead science in today's NFL and too many folks at OBD have their jobs on the line to pull such a stunt. But I'm quite intrigued by it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I thought it was one of the dumber statements of the article. What coach would sacrifice their season to do that? Many coaches 20-30 years ago. Like I said, the game has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blargo Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Many coaches 20-30 years ago. Like I said, the game has changed. Yes but, 20 years ago coaches had 5 year plans to turn things around. Now you get 1-2 years, 3 years if you show some progress. So coaches 20 years ago would take time to develop key players knowing they would get that 5 year plan. Free Agency has change all that and the expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Yes but, 20 years ago coaches had 5 year plans to turn things around. Now you get 1-2 years, 3 years if you show some progress. So coaches 20 years ago would take time to develop key players knowing they would get that 5 year plan. Free Agency has change all that and the expectations. That's what I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas55 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 What a great hire Tyler Dunne was for the News. Finally a Bills reporter who gets it. We are not interested in the quarterback evaluations of Jerry Sullivan, Buscaglia etc. They are not qualified to make such evaluations, as there is not an NFL team that would even consider hiring them to evaluate or scout - they lack the qualifications. So when you read them, it's no different than an opinion offered by any drunk on any bar stool in WNY. Sullivan wrote earlier this year that Taylor does not pass his "eye test" as an NFL QB. His eye test! As if he knows anything about QB evaluations Dunne does it the right way - interviews sources and solicits the opinions of guys who have the credentials to evaluate. Is it just me, or doesn't everybody prefer an evaluation coming from a former NFL offensive coordinator, vs the opinion of Sullivan, Buscaglia and company. I know it takes more work than just tossing out your uninformed opinion, but that's what a good reporter does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I agree. Dunne will probably start to get bigger offers soon. We're lucky to have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Good stuff. Have at it: http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/01/15/249280/ . Good article overall. Two nits: "This past week, The Buffalo News caught up with six of the sharpest minds in the game, six who know the position best." For the most part I agree...but....Eric Wood? Good center, good teammate, good guy but when did he become one of the sharpest minds in the game? I know canonically the football center is often one of the smartest guys on the team, but what makes Wood one of the sharpest minds in the game? Something like "sharpest minds in the game. We also spoke with the Bills teammate who works most closely with Taylor during the games, center Eric Wood" "Look at the NFL teams still playing. All eight quarterbacks remaining were either No. 1 overall picks or already own Super Bowl rings. You need playmakers, not caretakers." Not sure what the point about #1 overall picks is, really? In the last 15 years, there have been 10 QB drafted #1 overall. Let's say the jury is still out on 2015. From 2000 to 2013, there have been 10. Of those 10, 4 are still starting, but their team is nowhere near playoffs (Bradford, Luck, Eli Manning, Stafford). 1 is still playing, but relegated to a bit part/backup role (Michael Vick). 2 are out of football completely (David Carr, Jamarcus Russell). And yeah, 3 are in the playoffs (Cam Newton, Alex Smith and Carson Palmer), but what a long, strange trip its been for two of them. For Alex Smith, an appearance on "5 greatest QB busts of all time" lists, success with his drafting team after 6 years (SIX YEARS!) only to be benched and traded to a 2nd team where he found success. For Carson Palmer, modest success with his drafting team followed by years of drought, injury, and now, with his 3rd team, after 3 years, success. Then of course there's Peyton Manning, drafted #1 in 1998. What's the point? That if you stay with a #1 draft pick and he keeps working, he'll get you to the playoffs once in 8 years before you trade him? That if you draft a QB #1 you have <10% chance of being in the playoffs this year, but if you trade him away your trade partner will get there? "Already own superbowl rings" is just fancy way of saying "have had previous playoff success. Why not just say "all of the QB in the playoffs are dynamic playmakers, not caretakers" (though I think that's TBD about Smith). Dunne is trying too hard to come up with a factual phrase that illustrates the importance of the QB position, but instead he's illustrating how empty some facts can be when you look under the hood at them. OK, otherwise, good article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Excellent read! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Tyler Dunne is a very welcome addition to the Buffalo media - actually going out and getting opinions from people considered to be somewhat experts in the field - compare to most other media here who don't bother gathering info from experts...they watch some training camp and simply think they themselves become scouting experts and report on it,. Paul Hamilton, Joe Buscgalia and others please take note.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 The part I found most interesting was where Billick (I think) suggested they game plan next year to make Tyrod throw 30-50 times a game, because it will help develop him as a passer. Essentially develop Tyrod at the possible expense of winning games. It's an interesting idea but player development is a dead science in today's NFL and too many folks at OBD have their jobs on the line to pull such a stunt. But I'm quite intrigued by it... These Coaching concepts are interesting to me also. ^ Roman had decided to take the opposite approach with T2. Which had many calling him out. Even Watkins! I thought it was the right approach. By the second half of the season we saw the confidence level on the rise. Glad Bills were patient and it started to pay off. as mentioned there is little time for a middling team to develop a starting QB. Tyler Dunne is a nice Yin to so much Yang from BN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 You have to have a pocket to excel from. That was frequently missing. The fact that Taylor did as well as he did as a first time starter, behind a suspect offensive line, says a lot about him. Fix the line and with more experience, Taylor will be just fine. The bigger issue is to find a solid back-up for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpunkysSD Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I think Dunne is a great addition to the News. His articles are great reads.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 What a great hire Tyler Dunne was for the News. Finally a Bills reporter who gets it. We are not interested in the quarterback evaluations of Jerry Sullivan, Buscaglia etc. They are not qualified to make such evaluations, as there is not an NFL team that would even consider hiring them to evaluate or scout - they lack the qualifications. So when you read them, it's no different than an opinion offered by any drunk on any bar stool in WNY. Sullivan wrote earlier this year that Taylor does not pass his "eye test" as an NFL QB. His eye test! As if he knows anything about QB evaluations Dunne does it the right way - interviews sources and solicits the opinions of guys who have the credentials to evaluate. Is it just me, or doesn't everybody prefer an evaluation coming from a former NFL offensive coordinator, vs the opinion of Sullivan, Buscaglia and company. I know it takes more work than just tossing out your uninformed opinion, but that's what a good reporter does. It's odd that I look forward to the next paragraph when reading a BN article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 You have to have a pocket to excel from. That was frequently missing. The fact that Taylor did as well as he did as a first time starter, behind a suspect offensive line, says a lot about him. Fix the line and with more experience, Taylor will be just fine. The bigger issue is to find a solid back-up for him. We averaged more points and passing yards in our backup's starts (with Watkins playing a half total). I'm just saying. In regards to Taylor, who knows? He had a very solid season and certainly proved he is a starting caliber qb. Personally, I've never been a fan of smaller, run first Qbs. I think more than ever, you have to win from the pocket. Guys like Mike Vick can take the league by storm but the league gets tape and takes away their strengths. Taylor's physical skills aren't as good as Vick's but he certainly has a much better head on his shoulders. Taylor will go into an offseason for the first time as a starter and I have zero questions of his work ethic. But teams are going to make him beat them with his arm and once he does this, then we know we have our guy. But I didn't see that enough this year (though he certainly wasn't the reason we didn't make the playoffs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Tyler Dunne is a very welcome addition to the Buffalo media - actually going out and getting opinions from people considered to be somewhat experts in the field - compare to most other media here who don't bother gathering info from experts...they watch some training camp and simply think they themselves become scouting experts and report on it,. Paul Hamilton, Joe Buscgalia and others please take note.... Agreed - he does a good job. He's Quickly become the first click on the news feed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 We averaged more points and passing yards in our backup's starts (with Watkins playing a half total). I'm just saying. In regards to Taylor, who knows? He had a very solid season and certainly proved he is a starting caliber qb. Personally, I've never been a fan of smaller, run first Qbs. I think more than ever, you have to win from the pocket. Guys like Mike Vick can take the league by storm but the league gets tape and takes away their strengths. Taylor's physical skills aren't as good as Vick's but he certainly has a much better head on his shoulders. Taylor will go into an offseason for the first time as a starter and I have zero questions of his work ethic. But teams are going to make him beat them with his arm and once he does this, then we know we have our guy. But I didn't see that enough this year (though he certainly wasn't the reason we didn't make the playoffs). TT is not a "run first" QB. And he has already shown he can "beat them with his arm." What I need to see is more middle of the field throws and improvement in crossing plays. And I believe he will add that to his arsenal this off season. I feel very confident we've got our guy enough so that if the Bills don't lock him up soon, I think there is going to be a lot of competition for him when his contract runs out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 The part I found most interesting was where Billick (I think) suggested they game plan next year to make Tyrod throw 30-50 times a game, because it will help develop him as a passer. Essentially develop Tyrod at the possible expense of winning games. It's an interesting idea but player development is a dead science in today's NFL and too many folks at OBD have their jobs on the line to pull such a stunt. But I'm quite intrigued by it... I felt that they were developing Taylor this year. Not throwing over the middle was by design. More likely to throw interceptions over the middle. The throws he was making to the outside were harder. I think they add more over middle his year. Why have him throw 50 times with that running game? That's just dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 TT is not a "run first" QB. And he has already shown he can "beat them with his arm." What I need to see is more middle of the field throws and improvement in crossing plays. And I believe he will add that to his arsenal this off season. I feel very confident we've got our guy enough so that if the Bills don't lock him up soon, I think there is going to be a lot of competition for him when his contract runs out. He certainly looks to pass first but he doesn't go through progressions like pocket passers. I do t know if he is coached to do this or its him. And who has he beaten with arm? Bad Qbs or teams with losing records. Taylor was very solid. But it would dumb to rush out and lock up solid after 1 season. I think we will have a good idea if he deserves starting qb money after 8 games. Imagine if Philly locked up Foles after an even better year than Taylor had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Sinatra has a cold. Dunne is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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