The Big Cat Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 What problem were the Bills having that hiring Rob Ryan solves? How, exactly, does this make the team any better? There are reasons to believe it does. There are reasons to believe it does not. Only a fool would profess to know. Unless, of course they are in the employ of the Buffalo Bills. I get the impression that's not the case for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) You consider TWENTY or higher as some sort of high standard? 20 or higher is bad. Like fireable bad. Pick whatever parameter you want. Go ahead. Look at these and tell me they were comparable in success. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/RyanRo0.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/SchwJi0.htm Schwartz years average defense (16th) or better. 7/15 years in the NFL. Robbie years average defense (16th) or better. 3/12 years in the NFL. With Rob Ryan, the rule is your defense isn't just not going to be good, it's gonna to SUCK. It's sucked 9 seasons he's been a DC. He's only had an above average defense 3 times in his whole freaking career! What is the difference between no sustained success and sucking? not to speak for FC but --- i wouldnt say its a high standard but there about is where i personally start to set the floor on "average" for most nfl rankings. if you are consistently lower than that over long periods its for sure a worry. Yep. I used that this time. By any parameter, Rob Ryan has been bad, and worse than Schwartz. Edited January 11, 2016 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 20 or higher is bad. Like fireable bad. Pick whatever parameter you want. Go ahead. Look at these and tell me they were comparable in success. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/RyanRo0.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/SchwJi0.htm Schwartz years average defense (16th) or better. 7/15 years in the NFL. Robbie years average defense (16th) or better. 3/12 years in the NFL. With Rob Ryan, the rule is your defense isn't just not going to be good, it's gonna to SUCK. It's sucked 9 seasons he's been a DC. He's only had an above average defense 3 times in his whole freaking career! What is the difference between no sustained success and sucking? Yep. I used that this time. By anyy parameter, Rob Ryan has been bad, and worse than Schwartz. I get where you're coming from, but I fail to see how it's relevant if Rob is taking any position other than DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Thought it was a pre-req that all responses on this site had to be snarky. Saw a guy get banned today for saying Pegulas should be fired so I guess I should tread lightly around these parts. Mods somewhat quick triggered after the weekend. Really, who was that? I hate it when I'm the last to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I get where you're coming from, but I fail to see how it's relevant if Rob is taking any position other than DC. I am operating under the assumption his role as assistant HC/defense means he will have an impact on implementing defensive schemes and gameplans. So basically assistant DC. I can't imagine his role will be anything less. There are reasons to believe it does. There are reasons to believe it does not. Only a fool would profess to know. Unless, of course they are in the employ of the Buffalo Bills. I get the impression that's not the case for most of us. Like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Not understanding the decision = bitching?? Oh I think understanding the decision is a very good reason for bitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsguy Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 SSIA Rob "too much salad for the bowl" Ryan This is just what the Bills needed. The Rex Ryan debacle just got worse. He hires his idiot brother as assistant head coach. He hires the defensive coordinator who oversaw the worst defense in the history of the NFL! WTF!!!! I was hoping the Pegulas were smarter people. Apparently, I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Man it's going to be a long off-season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) I get where you're coming from, but I fail to see how it's relevant if Rob is taking any position other than DC. But on the flip side, how does his qualification of having being a good LB coach in the distant past makes him the ideal candidate for Asst HC/Defense ? In general, organizations create new positions when a great candidate becomes available but they don't have an existing spot for that person. Is this action implying he was that 'dying let him get away' candidate? Edited January 11, 2016 by Fan in Chicago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Yeah I def cannot get in the "support Rob Ryan" mode just yet.... I am more trying to understand WHY......I mean.....it has happened. You can either try to understand the decision or B word about it all offseason. Some will choose to B word Or just accept it for what it is, and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 What problem were the Bills having that hiring Rob Ryan solves? How, exactly, does this make the team any better? Just watch the press conferences. They'll be the best in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 But on the flip side, how does his qualification of having being a good LB coach in the distant past makes him the ideal candidate for Asst HC/Defense ? Well our LBs do need some help. Maybe he can assist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I am operating under the assumption his role as assistant HC/defense means he will have an impact on implementing defensive schemes and gameplans. So basically assistant DC. I can't imagine his role will be anything less. Like? On what planet would anyone with any level of experience with you burn calories to discuss anything positive about Rex Ryan and the Bills organization to satisfy your inquiry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Not understanding the decision = bitching?? No....not undertanding the decision....that is where I am at Acting like you already know the outcome of it and what a horrible decision it is = bitching What problem were the Bills having that hiring Rob Ryan solves? How, exactly, does this make the team any better? There are known communication issues with the players.....and I dont know if this makes the team any better in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Well our LBs do need some help. Maybe he can assist? Fine. Then fire Bobby April III and name RobR as his replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I am operating under the assumption his role as assistant HC/defense means he will have an impact on implementing defensive schemes and gameplans. So basically assistant DC. I can't imagine his role will be anything less. Like? Are you always this positive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 On what planet would anyone with any level of experience with you burn calories to discuss anything positive about Rex Ryan and the Bills organization to satisfy your inquiry? You seem to be a glutton for punishment. Let's hear it. I eagerly await to contrast your opinion on what can do Robbie to help this defense with your long-documented opinion that any failures on the field fall mostly on the players. And I do mean eagerly. Are you always this positive? I don't pull the covers over my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 20 or higher is bad. Like fireable bad. Pick whatever parameter you want. Go ahead. Look at these and tell me they were comparable in success. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/RyanRo0.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/SchwJi0.htm Schwartz years average defense (16th) or better. 7/15 years in the NFL. Robbie years average defense (16th) or better. 3/12 years in the NFL. With Rob Ryan, the rule is your defense isn't just not going to be good, it's gonna to SUCK. It's sucked 9 seasons he's been a DC. He's only had an above average defense 3 times in his whole freaking career! What is the difference between no sustained success and sucking? Yep. I used that this time. By any parameter, Rob Ryan has been bad, and worse than Schwartz. I didnt realize there was a rule....is that published somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Man it's going to be a long off-season They usually are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 What problem were the Bills having that hiring Rob Ryan solves? How, exactly, does this make the team any better? If you subscribe to the theory that Bills pass defense and pass rush was a weakness, it doesn't hurt to add a defensive coach who's had decent success with pass defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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