Wilkerson + Sanu

[NastyNateSoldiers]

Agree with every one of those. Do those things and add Mo Wilkerson to Dareus and Hughes, with Darby and Gilmore on the edges, and we have the core in place for many years. Build the linebacker and safety talent up through the draft.

 

I think we miss the safety that signed with Tennessee (what the hell was his name) more than I thought we would - he was big enough to cover tight ends, and very smart/coach on the field guy. Not saying he would have made the difference, but instead we have Duke Williams, porn star chaser, and other meatheads. All the guys other than Hughes that take dumb over-exuberance penalties have to go -- Brooks, Duke, Boobie. Bye. We have to get a smarter roster, as well as a more talented one (this is two your points 1 & 2). But I think we need a talent infusion too. MO, MO, MO!!!!

Searcy was huge loss

[3rdand12]

Agree with every one of those. Do those things and add Mo Wilkerson to Dareus and Hughes, with Darby and Gilmore on the edges, and we have the core in place for many years. Build the linebacker and safety talent up through the draft.

 

I think we miss the safety that signed with Tennessee (what the hell was his name) more than I thought we would - he was big enough to cover tight ends, and very smart/coach on the field guy. Not saying he would have made the difference, but instead we have Duke Williams, porn star chaser, and other meatheads. All the guys other than Hughes that take dumb over-exuberance penalties have to go -- Brooks, Duke, Boobie. Bye. We have to get a smarter roster, as well as a more talented one (this is two your points 1 & 2). But I think we need a talent infusion too. MO, MO, MO!!!!

By the way, you are a diligent and firm poster.

like the attitude and ability to defend your position. well done Sir

[NastyNateSoldiers]

I agree with the lack of intelligence remark seems like our Bills lack in that department big time.

 

DW got to bring in some leaders, Football Junkies no more over paid mansion seekers.I want some guys that have the mentality that they need to fight for there jobs every week

[MarlinTheMagician]

That is very kind All-Pro. Probably being too pushy on my Wilkerson point, but I really think he is so perfect for this squad. I believe (but no one wants me as GM, sadly), he alone would be a game-changer on D. And he is young, a gamer (was "questionable" for our game when he broke his leg), not a prima donna, not a money whore. He is a blood and guts guy Bills fans would just love. And I feel he is a grown-up in a way Dareus and Hughes might not be yet. I think he could make the money we are already committed to spend on our line. Him and Sanu would truly let us draft BPA, and I think it is doable. With our first -- see a tackle you like, a linebacker that can get to the flat, a safety that would make a difference, you can grab the best athlete without drafting for need.

 

Love our Bills more than anything in sports (and some things outside of sports that I should probably value more highly than the Bills. Like food).

 

I think we have cap manuevability, if not space. Using it wisely could make all the difference. Plus another solid draft and we could be really close.

 

D

[NastyNateSoldiers]

That is very kind All-Pro. Probably being too pushy on my Wilkerson point, but I really think he is so perfect for this squad. I believe (but no one wants me as GM, sadly), he alone would be a game-changer on D. And he is young, a gamer (was "questionable" for our game when he broke his leg), not a prima donna, not a money whore. He is a blood and guts guy Bills fans would just love. And I feel he is a grown-up in a way Dareus and Hughes might not be yet. I think he could make the money we are already committed to spend on our line. Him and Sanu would truly let us draft BPA, and I think it is doable. With our first -- see a tackle you like, a linebacker that can get to the flat, a safety that would make a difference, you can grab the best athlete without drafting for need.

 

Love our Bills more than anything in sports (and some things outside of sports that I should probably value more highly than the Bills. Like food).

 

I think we have cap manuevability, if not space. Using it wisely could make all the difference. Plus another solid draft and we could be really close.

 

D

I feel u buddy, I sleep thinking Bills wake up thinking Bills. I think I might have a problem lol. My wife thinks I'm crazy. But I love this team. I think as Bills fans we crave for those days bk in the 90's so much like something is missing. Sometimes I feel like if we just won a SuperBowl we wouldn't be this way, it wouldn't feel like a drug just a gm. Idk maybe I am crazy, lol.

[MarlinTheMagician]

I agree - I often say if we ever won, it just wouldn't be the same anymore. Not that I wouldn't take it in a heartbeat! For Russert, for everyone who has rooted for them for decades -- just one. As Russert would say, Dallas doesn't need it, Miami and New York don't need it. Maybe Buffalo doesn't NEED it either, but it sure deserves it!

[peterpan]

why would the jets let wilkerson walk? And dont say because they have Richardson, he is a basket case and may end up in jail.

[KD in CA]

why would the jets let wilkerson walk? And dont say because they have Richardson, he is a basket case and may end up in jail.

 

A long term deal is still the most likely IMO, but even if they don't they'll tag him (and possibly trade him, but certainly not within the division).

[Uffalo Ills]

Mo Wilk would be good, but I'm not sure we should overpay to get him especially with that injury in the final game. It looked bad from what I saw. Sanu I like, ditto with Jones. I really would want Von Miller but that ain't happening. He's a guy we should overpay to get. Do you really want to cut Corey? I'd rather draft a safety or sign one in FA and have him as depth. Then cut Leodis or trade him.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

Now that Whaley signed a extension its time for him to get to work. I would love to add Moe Wilk but probably won't fit into future caps. We need flexability to resign Gilmore, Cordy and Incog and other possible free agents heading into the future like TT. Its time to add role players via free agency, young cheap hungry players that fill roles. I think Sanu would be a great addition for the right price 3/4 mil per yr. Another WR i would love to sign for cheap i mean vet min cheap is Brain Quick he's a possible dust settle guy . BQ is a big, fast WR that reminds me a lot of Eric Moulds. In 2014 he had a great string of games before injuring his knee. When next season starts BQ would be 18 months removed from that injury and should be close or bk to 100% of his 2014 form. This kid has the tools at 6-3 220lbs 25yrs old can possibly battle for #2 WR on this team and for vet min which i fully expect after the awful season he just had in STL can be an absolute steal on a 1yr prove it deal.

 

Other possible Wrs for great Value i wouldn't mind seeing the Bills sign

Jermaine Kearse 3-4 mil per, Travis Benjamin 3-5 mil, Marvin Jones 4-6 mil per. Rishard Matthews 3-4 mil.

 

What would be great is the Bills sign one of these guys and still draft a WR in 2nd/3rd round depending on who is available.

[MarlinTheMagician]

Future cap could work with Wilkerson due to cap increases. If he were available, I think he would be a more important signing than Glenn or Incognito, and comparable to Gilmore.

I agree with poster KD in CT that Wilkerson could get tagged even if not signed, Daily News reporting on that today. Speculating on "tag and trade" strategy, which would mean he ain't coming to us. But that has a lot of risk for Jets if no trading partner.

 

I tend to agree with Peterpan that I would rather have Mo than Richardson, but Jets beat guy Mehta says today in paper Richardson likely has more upside due to greater rush ability. Plus Harrison is a FA, plus Leonard Williams has fit the bill.

 

Probably doesn't come available, but I would do what it takes if he does.

 

Receivers - no thanks on small speed guys (Benjamin), agree with earlier poster Bungs likely sign Jones. Kearse and Mathews could be interesting, rather have Sanu. How cheap could Bouldin be? Old as heck, but could be a Lofton-esque play, he could teach Dez Lewis how to play and help Sammy/Woods further development.

 

Any opposition to cutting Goodwin? I have no hope for him at this point. Would not overpay for Hogan, though I like him. I don't know how dead his career is after injury, but I thought Easley could possibly have been developed as the big possession guy if they gave him a chance. Enough speed to get deep too (kind of a Tasker-like transition from special teams ace), but it is probably a pipe dream. Of what we have and what is out there, I keep coming back to Sanu.

[Max997]

When did Whaley say they would possibly make one splash signing on defense?

 

Everything I've read which he started saying last year was the Bills wouldn't be players in free agency this year as they would be concentrating on extending their own players.

 

I really like Wilkerson but there is zero chance of Bills signing him unless he is willing to take s big discount just to play with Rex again which I highly doubt.

 

I would expect more Manny Lawson type signings nothing more

[BuffaninATL]

Mohamed is the most common name in the world!

 

and your point is what exactly relative to what is being discussed in this thread?

[MarlinTheMagician]

Whaley said that in substance in interview right around when season ended. Don't remember if he said "splash" -- probably more football speak like "impact" or "signficant", but the tone suggested to me he had someone/small group of someones in mind.

 

We don't need Wilkerson to take a Rex discount to sign him in my view. But I do agree the chances of him hitting FA are less than 50%, perhaps much less.

 

I view Sanu as Lawson-like., Probably comparable in terms of year-adjusted money.

[BarleyNY]

The TSW capologists are twitching

Sure are. He's not at all realistic. Over the cap has his expected contract at 5 years, $73M-$79M. That is way too rich for the Bills.

 

http://overthecap.com/2016-nfl-free-agency-defensive-ends-overview/

[MarlinTheMagician]

Just read another article that "key" to Jets front is Harrison run-stuff in middle, and would use tag on him if they don't get a deal. Interesting, can't tag him and Mo and they do have Williams and need to sign Richardson. One of those Jets - Wilkerson or Harrison - could easily be gone. I think even likely, but admittedly hard to see Jets keeping undrafted Harrison over Mo Wilkerson. But they are the Jets! I would do whatever it takes to get 'er done if he comes available.

Not necessarily too rich for Bills. Minus Mario, minus Kyle - he is covered. Would I trade those two Williams for Wilkerson? Absolutely. Can you find enough in the other guys for Glenn and Incognito? Not sure, what do you think Glenn gets?

 

How much does cap go up in 2017, 18 and 19. History is signing quality guys at market looks cheap due to cap accretion. Need to get Tyrod done if he performs of course.

[YoloinOhio]

Just read another article that "key" to Jets front is Harrison run-stuff in middle, and would use tag on him if they don't get a deal. Interesting, can't tag him and Mo and they do have Williams and need to sign Richardson. One of those Jets - Wilkerson or Harrison - could easily be gone. I think even likely, but admittedly hard to see Jets keeping undrafted Harrison over Mo Wilkerson. But they are the Jets! I would do whatever it takes to get 'er done if he comes available.

i have seen reports going back to last year from NYJ media that they do not plan to sign or tag Wilkerson. As far as Harrison, he only played about 50 percent of snaps but may not be too pricey as a NT so could see them keeping him. I wouldn't mind signing either one but think we could get a cheaper NT.

[MarlinTheMagician]

I agree. I don't think Harrison is unique really - effective tubs of goo can be had in 3rd round. Wilkerson is the more unusual talent -

[PlayoffsPlease]

Personally I am not sure the best strategy for the Bills overall is to focus on recreating the 2014 Jets.

[MarlinTheMagician]

For those that say "we can't afford Mo, no way no how" -- I just don't see it. I threw this out before for comment, and since have gone to Over the Cap to check.

 

I suggested we could clear $30 million cutting non-core vets and restructuring Clay (which I regard as a certainty). Looking at it more closely, it is more like $40 million we could clear with post June 1 cuts plus that restructuring. Mario and Kyle alone are $21 million.

 

Leodis, Graham, Lawson and Carpenter and are another $12.3 million. Clay restructuring is at least five. That is 38.3 million without straining. Easily enough to get Wilkerson (assume $15, worst case), Cordy ($11?), and Ritchie done ($3.5). And you only spent $29.5.

 

Give me a Sanu for $3.75 and we will do what we can try to keep some combination of Leodis, Graham or Kyle with pay cuts or incentive deals for the remaining $5 million - but really couldn't care if we kept none of those. Makes us younger and better. Mo = 26, Sanu = 27.

And if you strain a little there is easily another $5 million in there among the Goodwin, Duke Williams, Urbik level of players.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

For those that say "we can't afford Mo, no way no how" -- I just don't see it. I threw this out before for comment, and since have gone to Over the Cap to check.

 

I suggested we could clear $30 million cutting non-core vets and restructuring Clay (which I regard as a certainty). Looking at it more closely, it is more like $40 million we could clear with post June 1 cuts plus that restructuring. Mario and Kyle alone are $21 million.

 

Leodis, Graham, Lawson and Carpenter and are another $12.3 million. Clay restructuring is at least five. That is 38.3 million without straining. Easily enough to get Wilkerson (assume $15, worst case), Cordy ($11?), and Ritchie done ($3.5). And you only spent $29.5.

 

Give me a Sanu for $3.75 and we will do what we can try to keep some combination of Leodis, Graham or Kyle with pay cuts or incentive deals for the remaining $5 million - but really couldn't care if we kept none of those. Makes us younger and better. Mo = 26, Sanu = 27.

Dude I like your thinking. I just know there are 2 things you can count on.

1. The way things should be

2. The way things are and will be.

 

I think your play is more 1 than 2 though.

Good luck making it happen

[MarlinTheMagician]

Agree - good clean offseason fun. WIlkerson a long shot, but if chance came up I would pursue it as hard as I could if I was Whaley.

 

Revelation for me is we have a ton of money - unless someone shows me how I am misreading Spotrac and Over the Cap (which I admit is possible!)

 

Go Bills

[MarlinTheMagician]

One other thing:

 

Mario WIlliams, Kyle Williams, Corey Graham, Leodis and Urbik all have what in common? 30+ years. Reinvest the Mario money in the D.

 

These 30+ players are $30 million in cap. Gimme the Wilkerson, a young 26 (not 27 until late October).

[r henderson]

Signing Jones or Sanu would be sweet! Forget about Wilkerson (Will want to much). This year's draft is loaded with DE that fits 4-3 and 3-4 schemes.

[MarlinTheMagician]

Seems to be true on draft availability, but I would rather draft a tackle, safety or LB and sign Mo. We don't know if any of those DEs will work out, and I cannot think of a better use for the money we save by ditching Mario and some waning 30+ talent (all pretty mediocre other than Kyle, who we could restructure).

 

As demonstrated above, is not a question of sign our guys Glenn, Incognito and Gilmore OR get Mo. We should sign our guys first, but that would not nearly consume the $$$$ we could create by ditching some over-paid old guys. Assume our guys take $18 million $11 for Cordy, $3.5 for Incognito and $3.5 more for Gilmore ($11 of Gilmore's is already in our cap number), but you have $40 mm. What would you do with the other $22m? Spend on McKelvin, Graham, Urbik and Kyle? I would not.

 

Mo is roughly the same age as Dareus and Hughes -- could be a new Cold Front for five years.

 

[Webster Guy]

jets will tag wilkerson.

 

not sure if he's the kind of guy who would sit out if he gets tagged, but the Jets aren't letting him go.

[purple haze]

Wilkerson would be a dream. sign him, draft a WR or OL at 19 for the offensive side.

Nah, they need to draft a LB or S at 19. Ragland from Alabama would be my choice. Get Rex everything he needs so there are no excuses in '16.

Edited January 11, 2016 by purple haze

[bobobonators]

Nah, they need to draft a LB or S at 19. Ragland from Alabama would be my choice. Get Rex everything he needs so there are no excuses in '16.

 

I'm fine with that. But I really want to keep adding to this offense.

[BarleyNY]

For those that say "we can't afford Mo, no way no how" -- I just don't see it. I threw this out before for comment, and since have gone to Over the Cap to check.

 

I suggested we could clear $30 million cutting non-core vets and restructuring Clay (which I regard as a certainty). Looking at it more closely, it is more like $40 million we could clear with post June 1 cuts plus that restructuring. Mario and Kyle alone are $21 million.

 

Leodis, Graham, Lawson and Carpenter and are another $12.3 million. Clay restructuring is at least five. That is 38.3 million without straining. Easily enough to get Wilkerson (assume $15, worst case), Cordy ($11?), and Ritchie done ($3.5). And you only spent $29.5.

 

Give me a Sanu for $3.75 and we will do what we can try to keep some combination of Leodis, Graham or Kyle with pay cuts or incentive deals for the remaining $5 million - but really couldn't care if we kept none of those. Makes us younger and better. Mo = 26, Sanu = 27.

And if you strain a little there is easily another $5 million in there among the Goodwin, Duke Williams, Urbik level of players.

 

That doesn't paint an accurate picture of the Bills' situation at all. The current cap situation is this:

$6.2M over an expected cap of $150M (this might be as high as $154M) with a carryover of $5.2M. Harvin's exit is accounted for and they'll gain $7.5M from the Clay restructure. So they're sitting at $6.5M in space before any moves.

Mario will likely be cut adding $12.9M (less $500k for offsetting player's salary) for a total of $18.9M in space - but the team will need a starter to replace him. Other players will be cut too, but all will need replaced. Cutting Kyle would save $5M, but his replacement is going to cost too and interior DLmen aren't cheap. $3-$4M can be gained in 2016 by signing Gillmore to a long term contract though.

 

Then there's retaining or replacing Glenn, Incognito and Harvin. 1st year cap hits can be minimized, but you have to keep an eye on 2017 and beyond. Glenn's yearly average will likely be in the $10M-$11M range, but the 1st year hit could be $6M-$7M. Cogs is worth something like $7M-$8M a year, but the first year hit would be less and he might come at a discount due to his past. But it won't be $3.5M. Sanu or a quality starting WR will be more expensive too. $3.5M doesn't buy much on the open market for WRs. And then there's finding a RDE replacement, which will be costly.

 

The Bills can draft some help, but you can't expect much immediate impact from many rookies. Oh and those rookies need paid too. The real issue at hand is that there can be a lot of moves made, but for every starter or quality back up cut or with an expiring contract there has to be an addition. The more cuts made, the more likely a team is to find themselves coming up short on talent or cap space. Unfortunately I fear that's where the Bills are headed.

 

Edit: Actually $3.5M per year is about right for Sanu, but I do see him as more of a slot WR than an outside. The Bills could use one of each and Sanu could slide to the outside in event of injury so he's actually a pretty good fit. Still, he's not the impact WR I'd like to see across from Watkins to open him up.

Edited January 11, 2016 by BarleyNY

[Canadian Bills Fan]

jets will tag wilkerson.

 

not sure if he's the kind of guy who would sit out if he gets tagged, but the Jets aren't letting him go.

 

 

I was going to post the same thing

 

 

 

CBF

[JP's Voice]

Mohamed is the most common name in the world!

this.

[BuffaloBillsForever]

That doesn't paint an accurate picture of the Bills' situation at all. The current cap situation is this:

$6.2M over an expected cap of $150M (this might be as high as $154M) with a carryover of $5.2M. Harvin's exit is accounted for and they'll gain $7.5M from the Clay restructure. So they're sitting at $6.5M in space before any moves.

Mario will likely be cut adding $12.9M (less $500k for offsetting player's salary) for a total of $18.9M in space - but the team will need a starter to replace him. Other players will be cut too, but all will need replaced. Cutting Kyle would save $5M, but his replacement is going to cost too and interior DLmen aren't cheap. $3-$4M can be gained in 2016 by signing Gillmore to a long term contract though.

 

Then there's retaining or replacing Glenn, Incognito and Harvin. 1st year cap hits can be minimized, but you have to keep an eye on 2017 and beyond. Glenn's yearly average will likely be in the $10M-$11M range, but the 1st year hit could be $6M-$7M. Cogs is worth something like $7M-$8M a year, but the first year hit would be less and he might come at a discount due to his past. But it won't be $3.5M. Sanu or a quality starting WR will be more expensive too. $3.5M doesn't buy much on the open market for WRs. And then there's finding a RDE replacement, which will be costly.

 

The Bills can draft some help, but you can't expect much immediate impact from many rookies. Oh and those rookies need paid too. The real issue at hand is that there can be a lot of moves made, but for every starter or quality back up cut or with an expiring contract there has to be an addition. The more cuts made, the more likely a team is to find themselves coming up short on talent or cap space. Unfortunately I fear that's where the Bills are headed.

 

Yup. This thread is filled with pie in the sky.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Plan for 2016:

 

Whaley said perhaps one D splash signing - Please be Mo WIlkerson, perfect fit.

 

Plus one Mid-range - I like Sanu - big, strong possession peceiver with great RAC ability and bonus of throwing ability , but Marvin Jones if you prefer speed to take top off defense. Both are underrated and should trade as mid-range FA's, and will allow us a number 2 for Sammy without breaking bank or compromising draft. Very happy with Sammy, Sanu/Jones, Woods going into next year.

 

Draft: Rounds 1-3 Best available with focus on Tackle, LBs (that can run)and Safety.

 

We are not far off. To execute the foregoing:

 

Cut Mario (swap out for WIlkerson);

 

Restructure Clay -- deal was meant for it;

 

Cut McKelvin, Urbik, Carpenter, Duke Williams, Corey Graham, Harvin,

 

Cut or restructure (only if very favorable) - Kyle.

 

Work to lock up: Cordy, Incognito and Gilmore (nothing left to prove, do it now).

 

If Wilkerson happens - will he be available? Big guy rehabbing broken bones, can take some time. I know they have all kinds of treatment that can help to mitigate loss of strength now, but all things together, a one legged guy won't help us too much.

The heck with the capologists.

 

Unfortunately the league won't let you send them to heck, or even to someplace warmer

Wish you could.

[MarlinTheMagician]

It is significantly reported in NY that Jets may not tag Wilkerson. Could easily use tag on Harrison. Not expecting Mo to be FA, but could certainly happen.

 

It seems to me the money post above by BarleyNY agrees with the view I expressed on money, even though it says my post does not paint an accurate picture. This is interesting, not trying to argue - trying to get a good handle.

 

Let's say BarleyNY and I agree that we have $19 million after Harvin exit, Clay restructure and Mario cut. Says we get $5 million for Kyle, but I think it is $6 after June 1. For argument's sake - call it $25 million.

 

Then do the math - available on Over the Cap - for cutting Leodis, Urbik, Carpenter, Graham, Duke Williams and Glass Goodwin. Quickly gets you $35+ million (and there are some other cuts we could make as well - for example, Lawson another 30+ guy). We don't need any of those - most over 30, Duke not a smart player and Glass is valueless.

 

Subtract what Barley says we need for Cordy - he says $7 mm, but let's use $9. That leaves $26mm. Barley agrees long-term deal for Gilmore is cap neutral, at worst. Minus Incognito -- no way I would sign him for $7-8 Barley suggests. Old guard with a history. I will assume $5 mm.

 

That leaves $21 mm. What do you spend it on? Sanu will cost about $3.5 by all projections. Mo Wilkerson will not be more than $15 vs. cap. Can do all of that. Unless one values Leodis, Urbik, Graham, Duke and Glass a lot higher than I do, this is what I would do. You have $2.5 left over.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

For those that say "we can't afford Mo, no way no how" -- I just don't see it. I threw this out before for comment, and since have gone to Over the Cap to check.

 

I suggested we could clear $30 million cutting non-core vets and restructuring Clay (which I regard as a certainty). Looking at it more closely, it is more like $40 million we could clear with post June 1 cuts plus that restructuring. Mario and Kyle alone are $21 million.

 

Leodis, Graham, Lawson and Carpenter and are another $12.3 million. Clay restructuring is at least five. That is 38.3 million without straining. Easily enough to get Wilkerson (assume $15, worst case), Cordy ($11?), and Ritchie done ($3.5). And you only spent $29.5.

 

Give me a Sanu for $3.75 and we will do what we can try to keep some combination of Leodis, Graham or Kyle with pay cuts or incentive deals for the remaining $5 million - but really couldn't care if we kept none of those. Makes us younger and better. Mo = 26, Sanu = 27.

And if you strain a little there is easily another $5 million in there among the Goodwin, Duke Williams, Urbik level of players.

 

Magician - Clay might restructure his signing bonus. But another way to look at it is, the 2016 cap hit from his big roster bonus and Mario's dead money, gives us QB money in 2017 and beyond. If Taylor develops, he will expect Payday. I think that's part of the "let's not give Whaley a 1 year leash" thinking - they want him to think about the roster 2-3 years out, such as making sure we don't mortgage the future (QB signing) with cap space we create today.

 

With the post-June1 designation: 1) it can only be applied to 2 players per year 2) if a player is designated a post-June1 cut, his money can NOT be applied to contracts prior to June 1 eg it can NOT be used to sign FA contracts (unless they offer and the agent accepts some funny biz like "June 2 roster bonus" in which case, it can't be pro-rated as a signing bonus can). I could be mistaken, but I don't think that factored into your $40M cap calculation. Bear in mind the rule is the team must be under the cap at all times once the new league year starts, and standard rookie salaries for all draft choices are also counted in.

 

It's easy to look at a list and say "cut this guy, that guy, the other guy" but most have to be replaced, and they can't all be rookies. Unless the Bills are currently stupidly over-paying for someone, it needs to be assumed that we are paying near-market-value for most guys on your chopping block, plus their pesky agents usually want them to get a signing bonus. Eg - I'd like to see Carpenter and Gay replaced by a FG kicker/kickoff man who is closer to a sure bet, especially on extra points. But I don't think it's realistic to count them as "Cap Money I Play With"

[bobobonators]

most of what I've read has the expectation of Wilkerson being tagged. I would expect the Jets to tag him.

Edited January 11, 2016 by bobobonators

[MarlinTheMagician]

Hopeful - good points on the June 1 limit. Didn't know you could only do two, so that requires some modification downward. I don't think it is that material.

 

I agree on the "can't just cut this or that guy" - was not trying to do that lightly. But to me, our D looked old and slow this year. Mario, Lawson, Graham, McKelvin and Leodis -- all are 30+. I don't think we would really miss any of them very much. I am assuming Aaron Williams returns, put him in back with Rambo, Meeks and a pick. On the corner - I don't think losing Leodis is a big downgrade, I like Gilmore, Darby, Robey and Butler just as much without him. Add a developmental corner. Only one I think is a talent loss is Mario, and I think he needs to leave. Duke Williams? No thanks.

 

Offense and special teams - Urbik, Goodwin, Carpenter. You going to miss any of those? Not me. Urbik also 30+, and plus the defensive cuts we are removing six 30+ guys of questionable value add for a 26 year old Wilkerson and 27 year old Sanu.

 

Keeping all these older guys just because they have been with us is how teams get old, and tying up $$ in them is how you lose. IMHO. Thanks for your post!

One related point: This situation is part of why I like the Whaley re-sign. We don't have the mountain of cap space we once had, but we are cap maneuverable. A lot of the team upgrades seem to have been done with some cap flexibility in mind. I think Whaley should get some credit for that, no?

[MarlinTheMagician]

And the thought on Tyrod's future contract - which I believe he will earn subject only to staying healthy (a pretty big if, unfortunately) -- is that it is taken care of by accretion in cap number. Big slots for 3-5 year frame; Dareus, Gilmore, Taylor, Glenn, Shady (probs out after 3 max, then have to pay Darby), Hughes - then Sammy. Agree that will be a bunch of space. Who else is a big number? Dropping off - probably Wood at some point.

 

If Taylor earns it, I am good with a core of Sammy, Tyrod and Glenn on offense, Hughes Dareus, Gilmore, Darby and MO on defense, for several years.

[BarleyNY]

Here is a good link regarding post June 1st cap cuts and cuts designated that way:

 

http://overthecap.com/explaining-the-june-1st-designation/

 

Something many don't realize is that the current contract of a player cut using the post June 1st designation stays on the books until June 1st. All the designation really is is a way of teams protecting themselves from players they intend to cut post June 1st from getting injured (and thus being on the hook for their salary) and from having to pay offseason bonuses, but still getting the post June 1st cap hit delay. In return those players get to hit free agency early instead of in the summer when the cap dollars have dried up.

Edited January 11, 2016 by BarleyNY

[MarlinTheMagician]

Thanks for the link. Very interesting. Have you looked at whether it has a big impact on us? Do we agree on the numbers more or less? Seems we can still make some strategic use of the designation. Remembering from yesterday, I don't think it has a huge impact on the money I was suggesting we could have, but it certainly has some. What do you think??

 

Kyle, Leodis, Graham, Lawson, Urbik, Carpenter -- I would be looking very hard at all of those guys. Seems Kyle should be a candidate for some restructure/cut given age/injuries. I love him, but think he is not a plus in a 3-4.