YoloinOhio Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) Bills looking to pay Gilmore 12-12.5/yr per Carucci http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/03/21/bills-taylor-make-little-progress-on-contract-extension/ Also notice how a team source says they think Darby has "better ball skills" than Gilmore. I thought the knock on him out of FSU was his lack of any ball skills. Anyway, sounds like posturing to Gilmore's agent. Edited March 21, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Bills looking to pay Gilmore 12-12.5/yr per Carucci http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/03/21/bills-taylor-make-little-progress-on-contract-extension/ Also notice how a team source says they think Darby has "better ball skills" than Gilmore. I thought the knock on him out of FSU was his lack of any ball skills. Anyway, sounds like posturing to Gilmore's agent. I think it's fairly clear that Gilmore's deal--regardless of what the numbers day, will essentially be a 3-year deal. In year 4, after the break point, they'll be able to part ways with him in favor of Darby if they have to choose. It's just a guess, but it's also the only thing that makes sense at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Im cool with Gilmore and Darby locked up for 4 more years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 By the way, for discussion, here was my recent projection for Gilmore's deal: Gilmore 5-year, $65.5M, $32.5M guaranteed Base Signing Total Dead 2016 2 6.5 8.5 32.5 2017 5 6.5 11.5 26 2018 6 6.5 12.5 19.5 2019 8 6.5 14.5 13 2020 12 6.5 18.5 6.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/stephon-gilmore/market-value/ Market value $13.5M projected 6 years $81.4M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Not sure this guy is enough of a game changer to spend this kind of dough. I would attempt a sign & trade and see if we can get a # 1 pick in return, you need more picks from a guy if you are paying him that much money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Not sure this guy is enough of a game changer to spend this kind of dough. I would attempt a sign & trade and see if we can get a # 1 pick in return, you need more picks from a guy if you are paying him that much money. I'll never understand why folks think that a high number of interceptions means elite CB play. Look at the top CBs in the league, and then look at the INT leaders; not the same. High-level CB play is about discouraging teams from targeting you in the passing game, and squeezing down the opportunities when they do. If the real definition of an elite CB is a guy that's outstanding in coverage, a great tackler, and has great ball skills, then there are zero elite CBs in the NFL. I think that maybe what you really mean is that CB isn't a position that you want to pay a premium for; that's fine if it's how you feel. I think, however, that some folks may need their barometer for great CB play adjusted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Sounds like you guys are pretty biased. He's the best on the Bills but that doesn't make him elite. I have friends in other cities that have never heard of Gilmore. Everyone has heard of Revis, Peterson, Norman, Sherman. Nobody says "watch out for Buffalo they have that elite shut down corner Stephon Gilmore." We have really good solid corners. The only elite player we have on the whole team is Dareus and even that is questionable since he's not even the best DT in the AFC East. You guys seem to live in a bubble where the Bills have all of these great players and can do no wrong and meanwhile we haven't been to the playoffs since Clinton was in office. Something doesn't add up here Your friends know very little about football then. You won't hear Gilmore's name mentioned 90% of the time because he's doing his job and they aren't throwing at him. Then if he makes a play, he doesn't act like an idiot afterwards. Of course on the rare occasions he gives up a catch, some not smart fans will talk about how he gets roasted all the time. If people don't think Gilmore isn't really good, I question their football knowledge. In a league where it's a penalty to breathe on a wr, he is one of the best man to man corners in the NFL. He would be a much bigger lost than any Bills FA in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrewyLouie Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Gilmore is NOT an elite corner. He's not even above average. He's an average DB at best. I would not give him a big contract. I'd let him walk before I would over pay him. Not only is he only average in ability he is also made of glass. One hit and he's on IR. Darby was a rookie and out played Gilmore by a mile. Now Darby I would say will be an elite corner if he stays healthy and doesn't have a sophomore slump. Before I would over pay Gilmore I would take that money and sign a free agent corner. Most likely there will be one of two good ones next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Gilmore is NOT an elite corner. He's not even above average. He's an average DB at best. I would not give him a big contract. I'd let him walk before I would over pay him. Not only is he only average in ability he is also made of glass. One hit and he's on IR. Darby was a rookie and out played Gilmore by a mile. Now Darby I would say will be an elite corner if he stays healthy and doesn't have a sophomore slump. Before I would over pay Gilmore I would take that money and sign a free agent corner. Most likely there will be one of two good ones next year. Thanks for the Monday laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Report: Josh Norman seeking $16 million a year http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/27/report-josh-norman-seeking-16-million-a-year/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I'll never understand why folks think that a high number of interceptions means elite CB play. Look at the top CBs in the league, and then look at the INT leaders; not the same. High-level CB play is about discouraging teams from targeting you in the passing game, and squeezing down the opportunities when they do. If the real definition of an elite CB is a guy that's outstanding in coverage, a great tackler, and has great ball skills, then there are zero elite CBs in the NFL. I think that maybe what you really mean is that CB isn't a position that you want to pay a premium for; that's fine if it's how you feel. I think, however, that some folks may need their barometer for great CB play adjusted Spot on. Gilmore is NOT an elite corner. He's not even above average. He's an average DB at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Bills looking to pay Gilmore 12-12.5/yr per Carucci http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/03/21/bills-taylor-make-little-progress-on-contract-extension/ Also notice how a team source says they think Darby has "better ball skills" than Gilmore. I thought the knock on him out of FSU was his lack of any ball skills. Anyway, sounds like posturing to Gilmore's agent. That was the knock but it was poor scouting or coaching; he has shown he can make moves on the ball but due to the few balls thrown at him in college he did not show he ability. He mentioned in one interview that he worked with Sanjay Lai (WR coach) a bit and it helped him a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrewyLouie Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Not sure this guy is enough of a game changer to spend this kind of dough. I would attempt a sign & trade and see if we can get a # 1 pick in return, you need more picks from a guy if you are paying him that much money. I agree about the part that he is NOT a enough of a game changer to spend that kind of dough on him. But I think you are wrong about getting a #1 pick for him. No one is going to give you a first round pick when they can go into the draft and get someone as good and most likely even better than Gilmore for a lot less money. You can forget about getting a first rounder for him. You probably would be lucky to get a 3rd rounder at the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I agree about the part that he is NOT a enough of a game changer to spend that kind of dough on him. But I think you are wrong about getting a #1 pick for him. No one is going to give you a first round pick when they can go into the draft and get someone as good and most likely even better than Gilmore for a lot less money. You can forget about getting a first rounder for him. You probably would be lucky to get a 3rd rounder at the most. Now I know you're joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I agree about the part that he is NOT a enough of a game changer to spend that kind of dough on him. But I think you are wrong about getting a #1 pick for him. No one is going to give you a first round pick when they can go into the draft and get someone as good and most likely even better than Gilmore for a lot less money. You can forget about getting a first rounder for him. You probably would be lucky to get a 3rd rounder at the most. Now I know you're joking Didn't the Bills do that last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 "I'm an elite corner, I know so."- boyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Didn't the Bills do that last year? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Didn't the Bills do that last year? Peerless Price syndrome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 @RyanTalbotBills They've battled on the field, in the press, and now Stephon Gilmore and Odell Beckham Jr. are taking it to Instagram https://t.co/55w1TvA3HE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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