Beerball Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 IMO, there's no such thing as a czar who consults. A czar calls shots and sets strategy that others below him follow. A consultant OTOH makes recommendations that do not have to be adhered to. That's my sense. If they want to consider an outside assessment to see where those ideas fit into what they're already doing...Fine by me. Exactly, so hire the former czar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Good... Let's fix this defense and get a real #2 WR Harvin was supposed to be that guy hell he was a number one for a minute. It was a nice idea ! I'm good with this. I hope they put pressure on Rex to change his D to the one last year. Enough pressure that he quits. They need to tell him he needs to can his defensive staff and change the system and just be the coach! Don't be surprised if this happens. Edit :This would be better than changing the personnel No quit. expect adjustments though. What I believe to be the facts: 1) OBD in disarray 2) Nobody pays the price this offseason Prediction: 1) Don't expect success (spelled playoff appearance) for 3-5 years pending regime change which will inevitably happen due too ineptness (primarily coaching staff). ugh A czar would signal to your actual GM that the owners do not consider him capable of doing his job. If you need a "czar", you need a new GM. good point Weo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Good... Let's fix this defense and get a real #2 WR Wasn't much wrong with the D till last year. I am repeating my sentiments a lot, but retooling the D for compatibility with Rex's scheme may help us win the battle (D) but we will wont win the war. Does RR strike anyone as a man in control of the overall game ? That he will get us to the promised land even if given 4 years ? As for the #2 WR, I don't think Harvin was the correct receiver for that. We need a big, strong possession receiver ala Brandon Marshall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 My feeling, based on is that Rex sold The Family Pegs and Whaley a bill of goods when he was hired. He said all of the right things...I'll utilize the talent on this defense and won't force my scheme on them blah blah blah... Maybe a third party consultant would have been able to put a stop to that nonsense. I realize that cow is already over the moon, but, I still think that The Family Pegs needs someone experienced to be able to talk with about BIG football matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 What about a part time former czar who consults on larger football matters? creating layers can be more trouble than not. I agree with 26 and the consultation. I suspect they already have some of that in place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 What you say is true (IMO), but, if he is in lockstep with Rex then he needs to bring in the players that fit his defensive scheme. It would have been nice if that started last off season. Thats right. 'Stay the course' implies this was an intentionally lost season. That there was knowledge that the D may underperform due to their ill fit with the scheme, yet no significant changes were made. Not a good situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 creating layers can be more trouble than not. I agree with 26 and the consultation. I suspect they already have some of that in place so you're saying layers are bad, but the Bills have those layers and you're ok with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 is that Rex sold The Family Pegs and Whaley a bill of goods when he was hired. He said all of the right things...I'll utilize the talent on this defense and won't force my scheme on them blah blah blah... Seems most likely, but why continue with RR in that case ? It seems like RR is continuing the sell his message successfully to OBD. Fool me once ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 A czar would signal to your actual GM that the owners do not consider him capable of doing his job. If you need a "czar", you need a new GM. Yep. For DW's sake (and also obviously RR's), here's to 2 big wins at home that will close out the season on a positive note & make the czar's job easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 creating layers can be more trouble than not. I agree with 26 and the consultation. I suspect they already have some of that in place And yet, seemingly have already made the decision to keep both Whaley and RR ? How independent is this consulant anyway ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 so you're saying layers are bad, but the Bills have those layers and you're ok with that? I am saying that adding layers can be troublesome. A lateral consultant or two might be the best method at this point. But the hierarchy should remain as it is. make better sense BB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) This stuff changes from week to week. I for one just don't get all the fan love for a man who has made a bunch of mistakes during his time as GM. Who actually drafted EJ? The guy that went and personally scouted him was Whaley. Bryce Brown for a fourth. Mike Williams replacing Stevie Johnson because Stevie didn't mesh well with EJ who as to be benched after three games and Kyle Orton could have used that always open WR. Replacing Andy Levitre with Chris Williams for 5.5 in guaranteed money! Doug Legurski, Colin Brown all = Rex Ryan vouched for Richie Incognito. Whaley didn't sign Richie Incognito on his own either as he could have signed him for the 2014 season and didn't. That offensive line which has never been properly upgraded in the entire time Whaley has been GM is headed for some serious changes this offseason if the team fails to sign Glenn, Incognito. The right side still has serious issues with the players Whaley obtained. Henderson, Kounandjio, Miller, Urbik all stink in their own way. Just think what that line would look like again this season without Incognito in probably battling for near worst again this year. Another serious fault with Whaley is his choice for QB in EJ as It was all Rex Ryan who wanted Tyrod Taylor for QB! Taylor has been such a bright spot for the offense this year he is also pro bowl alternate and so is Richie Incognito. Rex Ryan also wanted to sign certain linebackers in the offseason this year, and Whaley didn't get that done. Bill Polian wants the Bills to get rid of EJ, and I doubt Whaley would let that happen. Some say Whaley wants to fire Greg Roman. Is there a rift between the current HC & GM like there was last year between Marrone and others say there is no rift. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-rumors/2015/12/20/10629580/doug-whaley-butting-heads-with-buffalo-bills-coaches-per-report http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-rumors/2015/12/27/10669238/doug-whaley-not-on-the-hot-seat-per-report?_ga=1.179569380.1389375532.1449156100 What we heard earlier was that the Pegula's was to hire a senior NFL adviser / czar and Whaley would be taking a back seat to whomever that is. If this is true then Whaley may or may not choose to stay in Buffalo. The only people that really know what will happen after the season ends are the new owners and I hope they hire a brilliant team president of football operations. Then step back and let him make all the football decisions. Edited December 27, 2015 by Nihilarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 And yet, seemingly have already made the decision to keep both Whaley and RR ? How independent is this consulant anyway ? This is the trick. Who does the " consultant " report to. Pegs? Whaley and Pegs? or the whole group? minus Brandon of course ha ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 My feeling, based on is that Rex sold The Family Pegs and Whaley a bill of goods when he was hired. He said all of the right things...I'll utilize the talent on this defense and won't force my scheme on them blah blah blah... Maybe a third party consultant would have been able to put a stop to that nonsense. I realize that cow is already over the moon, but, I still think that The Family Pegs needs someone experienced to be able to talk with about BIG football matters. Yep. Someone other than DW and RR, and most definitely someone other than Brandon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Doug Whaley is a very good scout. Doug Whaley has not yet proven that he is a good GM. Some fans don't understand the difference, at all. I'm fine with giving him another year (although it takes two to tango, and he's a FA). But he should be on a short leash until he demonstrates a better understanding of team-building. Prior to this year he did a terrible job addressing the offensive line, QB, TE and #2 WR positions and we're still not settled in those areas. And he'd better start finding decent linebackers on the cheap, because we need like six of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 This stuff changes from week to week. I for one just don't get all the fan love for a man who has made a bunch of mistakes during his time as GM. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-rumors/2015/12/20/10629580/doug-whaley-butting-heads-with-buffalo-bills-coaches-per-report Who actually drafted EJ? The guy that went and personally scouted him was Whaley. Bryce Brown for a fourth. Mike Williams replacing Stevie Johnson because Stevie didn't mesh well with EJ who as to be benched after three games and Kyle Orton could have used that always open WR. Replacing Andy Levitre with Chris Williams for 5.5 in guaranteed money! Doug Legurski, Colin Brown all = Rex Ryan vouched for Richie Incognito. Whaley didn't sign Richie Incognito on his own either as he could have signed him for the 2014 season and didn't. That offensive line which has never been properly upgraded in the entire time Whaley has been GM is headed for some serious changes this offseason if the team fails to sign Glenn, Incognito. The right side still has serious issues with the players Whaley obtained. Henderson, Kounandjio, Miller, Urbik all stink in their own way. Just think what that line would look like again this season without Incognito in probably battling for near worst again this year. Another serious fault with Whaley is his choice for QB in EJ as It was all Rex Ryan who wanted Tyrod Taylor for QB! Taylor has been such a bright spot for the offense this year he is also pro bowl alternate and so is Richie Incognito. Rex Ryan also wanted to sign certain linebackers in the offseason this year, and Whaley didn't get that done. Bill Polian wants the Bills to get rid of EJ, and I doubt Whaley would let that happen. Some say Whaley wants to fire Greg Roman. Is there a rift between the current HC & GM like there was last year between Marrone and others say there is no rift. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-rumors/2015/12/27/10669238/doug-whaley-not-on-the-hot-seat-per-report?_ga=1.179569380.1389375532.1449156100 What we heard earlier was that the Pegula's was to hire a senior NFL adviser / czar and Whaley would be taking a back seat to whomever that is. If this is true then Whaley may or may not choose to stay in Buffalo. The only people that really know what will happen after the season ends are the new owners and I hope they hire a brilliant team president of football operations. Then step back and let him make all the football decisions. No checks and balances Nil ? if so then Polian is not the guy. Just speaking about the team shows he is just spouting off. But i have no issue with Pegs getting a football education from an outsider looking in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I am saying that adding layers can be troublesome. A lateral consultant or two might be the best method at this point. But the hierarchy should remain as it is. make better sense BB? To me? I believe that more is needed. If they have a consultant, a majordomo, then I'm not sure he/she is doing a successful job. I would like to see the entire coaching staff jettisoned and a new one brought in, but, that a'int happening (IMO) so bring in someone to start putting fingers in the dikes before Buffalo becomes Johnstown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 This stuff changes from week to week. I for one just don't get all the fan love for a man who has made a bunch of mistakes during his time as GM. Who actually drafted EJ? The guy that went and personally scouted him was Whaley. Bryce Brown for a fourth. Mike Williams replacing Stevie Johnson because Stevie didn't mesh well with EJ who as to be benched after three games and Kyle Orton could have used that always open WR. Replacing Andy Levitre with Chris Williams for 5.5 in guaranteed money! Doug Legurski, Colin Brown all = Rex Ryan vouched for Richie Incognito. Whaley didn't sign Richie Incognito on his own either as he could have signed him for the 2014 season and didn't. That offensive line which has never been properly upgraded in the entire time Whaley has been GM is headed for some serious changes this offseason if the team fails to sign Glenn, Incognito. The right side still has serious issues with the players Whaley obtained. Henderson, Kounandjio, Miller, Urbik all stink in their own way. Just think what that line would look like again this season without Incognito in probably battling for near worst again this year. . http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-rumors/2015/12/20/10629580/doug-whaley-butting-heads-with-buffalo-bills-coaches-per-report Another serious fault with Whaley is his choice for QB in EJ as It was all Rex Ryan who wanted Tyrod Taylor for QB! Taylor has been such a bright spot for the offense this year he is also pro bowl alternate and so is Richie Incognito. Rex Ryan also wanted to sign certain linebackers in the offseason this year, and Whaley didn't get that done. Bill Polian wants the Bills to get rid of EJ, and I doubt Whaley would let that happen. Some say Whaley wants to fire Greg Roman. Is there a rift between the current HC & GM like there was last year between Marrone and others say there is no rift. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-rumors/2015/12/27/10669238/doug-whaley-not-on-the-hot-seat-per-report?_ga=1.179569380.1389375532.1449156100 What we heard earlier was that the Pegula's was to hire a senior NFL adviser / czar and Whaley would be taking a back seat to whomever that is. If this is true then Whaley may or may not choose to stay in Buffalo. The only people that really know what will happen after the season ends are the new owners and I hope they hire a brilliant team president of football operations. Then step back and let him make all the football decisions. Yep. Two more games to go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Starting to feel like no changes will be made this offseason in the front office or coaching staff, not even a football czar. That would be unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Doug Whaley is a very good scout. Doug Whaley has not yet proven that he is a good GM. Some fans don't understand the difference, at all. I'm fine with giving him another year (although it takes two to tango, and he's a FA). But he should be on a short leash until he demonstrates a better understanding of team-building. Prior to this year he did a terrible job addressing the offensive line, QB, TE and #2 WR positions and we're still not settled in those areas. And he'd better start finding decent linebackers on the cheap, because we need like six of those. LOL its harder to bring in players when the schemes keep shifting ? recall not long ago Nix was drafting/reaching for a NT? next year we go 4-3. hybrid, 4-3, and most recently hybrid. Quite a dance to succeed i bet. and hell yes bring the LBs draft and FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Doug Whaley is a very good scout. Doug Whaley has not yet proven that he is a good GM. Some fans don't understand the difference, at all. I'm fine with giving him another year (although it takes two to tango, and he's a FA). But he should be on a short leash until he demonstrates a better understanding of team-building. Prior to this year he did a terrible job addressing the offensive line, QB, TE and #2 WR positions and we're still not settled in those areas. And he'd better start finding decent linebackers on the cheap, because we need like six of those. Yep. I also think he needs to fully accept the mistakes that he (or Nix before him) have made, cut his losses, and move on; no GM is perfect, but the best one's are able to do that. He's done that a few times (eg. Chris Williams), let's see what he finally does with EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 LOL its harder to bring in players when the schemes keep shifting ? recall not long ago Nix was drafting/reaching for a NT? next year we go 4-3. hybrid, 4-3, and most recently hybrid. Quite a dance to succeed i bet. and hell yes bring the LBs draft and FA But isnt that exactly what keeping RR would do ? The running thought is that he will need to extensively re-tool the D to make his scheme work. This is a faulty strategy with today's NFL. You cannot have all starters under contract for the exact same time. The scheme has to be flexible to accomodate players as they become available. Do we need better players ? Sure we do. But, so does every team in the NFL. And not too many great players become available in free agency. Key is drafting well, and building the team - things that take time and which we seemed to be on the right path till suddenly this year we weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 To me? I believe that more is needed. If they have a consultant, a majordomo, then I'm not sure he/she is doing a successful job. I would like to see the entire coaching staff jettisoned and a new one brought in, but, that a'int happening (IMO) so bring in someone to start putting fingers in the dikes before Buffalo becomes Johnstown. ah i see your point now. I suggest that Pegulas are smart enough to gather quality opinion and perspective. The Czar thing seems a bit over the top to me. But Terry surely is learning he needs another set of eyes upon this team. I do NOT think they have made use of much of that advice or acted yet. That is going to influence and show up this offseason. Rex certainly knows he is under the microscope internally, as he well should be. Hope thats makes sense buddy : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) I agree 100% Thanks. What about a part time former czar who consults on larger football matters? If you're Whaley, what would you think about this? Thank God they didn't fire me? Just happy to have work? What are the larger football matters that your GM doesn't get involved with or control? Where are all the playoff teams that got there with the assistance of a football czar? The Jets fired Rex and their GM and instantly got better...with Bowles as coach! Edited December 27, 2015 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 This stuff changes from week to week. I for one just don't get all the fan love for a man who has made a bunch of mistakes during his time as GM. Who actually drafted EJ? The guy that went and personally scouted him was Whaley. Bryce Brown for a fourth. Mike Williams replacing Stevie Johnson because Stevie didn't mesh well with EJ who as to be benched after three games and Kyle Orton could have used that always open WR. Replacing Andy Levitre with Chris Williams for 5.5 in guaranteed money! Doug Legurski, Colin Brown all = Rex Ryan vouched for Richie Incognito. Whaley didn't sign Richie Incognito on his own either as he could have signed him for the 2014 season and didn't. That offensive line which has never been properly upgraded in the entire time Whaley has been GM is headed for some serious changes this offseason if the team fails to sign Glenn, Incognito. The right side still has serious issues with the players Whaley obtained. Henderson, Kounandjio, Miller, Urbik all stink in their own way. Just think what that line would look like again this season without Incognito in probably battling for near worst again this year. Another serious fault with Whaley is his choice for QB in EJ as It was all Rex Ryan who wanted Tyrod Taylor for QB! Taylor has been such a bright spot for the offense this year he is also pro bowl alternate and so is Richie Incognito. Rex Ryan also wanted to sign certain linebackers in the offseason this year, and Whaley didn't get that done. Bill Polian wants the Bills to get rid of EJ, and I doubt Whaley would let that happen. Some say Whaley wants to fire Greg Roman. Is there a rift between the current HC & GM like there was last year between Marrone and others say there is no rift. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-rumors/2015/12/20/10629580/doug-whaley-butting-heads-with-buffalo-bills-coaches-per-report http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-rumors/2015/12/27/10669238/doug-whaley-not-on-the-hot-seat-per-report?_ga=1.179569380.1389375532.1449156100 What we heard earlier was that the Pegula's was to hire a senior NFL adviser / czar and Whaley would be taking a back seat to whomever that is. If this is true then Whaley may or may not choose to stay in Buffalo. The only people that really know what will happen after the season ends are the new owners and I hope they hire a brilliant team president of football operations. Then step back and let him make all the football decisions. /end thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) But isnt that exactly what keeping RR would do ? The running thought is that he will need to extensively re-tool the D to make his scheme work. This is a faulty strategy with today's NFL. You cannot have all starters under contract for the exact same time. The scheme has to be flexible to accomodate players as they become available. Do we need better players ? Sure we do. But, so does every team in the NFL. And not too many great players become available in free agency. Key is drafting well, and building the team - things that take time and which we seemed to be on the right path till suddenly this year we weren't. Great point. The running narrative is not what i believe honestly. Rex has never said such a thing. But i mentioned I expect some meeting in the middle in the offseason. Not a wholesale defensive rebuild. Dialing in the communication and terminology to the players would be wise to start. I dont believe this hard line talk about switching. I think he realizes his plan for this year went poorly. and is more flexible and intelligent than folks allow him I am gonna jump out for the game. Thanks for the good dialogue folks. and as always GO BILLS ! Starting to feel like no changes will be made this offseason in the front office or coaching staff, not even a football czar. That would be unfortunate. oh there will be changes, just not as dramatic as some hoped Edited December 27, 2015 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Thanks. If you're Whaley, what would you think about this? Thank God they didn't fire me? Just happy to have work? What are the larger football matters that your GM doesn't get involved with or control? Where are all the playoff teams that got there with the assistance of a football czar? The Jets fired Rex and their GM and instantly got better...with Bowles as coach! No argument from me on the coaching front. Read my first post on the hire, or the last one above. I really don't give a rip what Whaley or Rex or Brandon (or anyone else in the organization you care to name) would think about this. I don't believe that any of those 3 have proven to be able to put together an honest to goodness NFL football team. Would any of the 3 walk? Would you, at the end of the day, care? /end thread god, I love these posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 LOL its harder to bring in players when the schemes keep shifting ? recall not long ago Nix was drafting/reaching for a NT? next year we go 4-3. hybrid, 4-3, and most recently hybrid. Quite a dance to succeed i bet. and hell yes bring the LBs draft and FA I find it very difficult to believe that the GM & HC are in any kind of lockstep if the team didn't make any effort to bring in the players that Rex Ryan needed to properly run his defense. Defenses are usually the first part of the team to gel in training camp and if anyone in the FO has an actual brain it should have been easy to recognize that the defense was going to have difficulties this season. I know Ryan didn't get the two linebackers he wanted before the season started, and of those two players, they could have made a big difference if one could have been calling the defensive signals. I also think of Rex Ryan flying down south to wine and dine, OG La'el Collins who Ryan recognized would have had a tremendous impact for the line this season. I watched him pancake player after player for the Clownboys this year and we get to see him up close this Sunday. I know he chose to sign with Dallas but we don't know what Buffalo offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Yep. I also think he needs to fully accept the mistakes that he (or Nix before him) have made, cut his losses, and move on; no GM is perfect, but the best one's are able to do that. He's done that a few times (eg. Chris Williams), let's see what he finally does with EJ. I never understood why he needs to cut EJ just because he didn't pan out as a starter. He's fine as a backup and he doesn't cost a lot. He's a good kid who doesn't whine or complain and works hard. Why cut him? Because fans don't like him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 No argument from me on the coaching front. Read my first post on the hire, or the last one above. I really don't give a rip what Whaley or Rex or Brandon (or anyone else in the organization you care to name) would think about this. I don't believe that any of those 3 have proven to be able to put together an honest to goodness NFL football team. Would any of the 3 walk? Would you, at the end of the day, care? god, I love these posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 god, I love these posts /end thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I never understood why he needs to cut EJ just because he didn't pan out as a starter. He's fine as a backup and he doesn't cost a lot. He's a good kid who doesn't whine or complain and works hard. Why cut him? Because fans don't like him? Because he is undependable to do what a backup QB is supposed to do? Cutting him before this season makes no sense (& I think that's what you were getting at). Keeping him after this season makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I never understood why he needs to cut EJ just because he didn't pan out as a starter. He's fine as a backup and he doesn't cost a lot. He's a good kid who doesn't whine or complain and works hard. Why cut him? Because fans don't like him? Maybe because 2 coaching staffs don't agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 /end thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Because he is undependable to do what a backup QB is supposed to do? Cutting him before this season makes no sense (& I think that's what you were getting at). Keeping him after this season makes no sense. Yeah, I don't see the need to cut him before next season either. Keep him in training camp, bring in another guy who can challenge TT for a starters spot and EJ for the backup spot. If EJ can't beat him out cut him. If he does keep him. Maybe because 2 coaching staffs don't agree? Don't agree with what? He's been the backup here for 2 different coaching staffs. Seem they agree he's a capable backup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Thanks. If you're Whaley, what would you think about this? Thank God they didn't fire me? Just happy to have work? What are the larger football matters that your GM doesn't get involved with or control? Where are all the playoff teams that got there with the assistance of a football czar? The Jets fired Rex and their GM and instantly got better...with Bowles as coach! And Brandon Marshall, and Fitz, and Revis, and Cromartie and Leonard Williams...but yeah it was just Bowles and the same team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 No argument from me on the coaching front. Read my first post on the hire, or the last one above. I really don't give a rip what Whaley or Rex or Brandon (or anyone else in the organization you care to name) would think about this. I don't believe that any of those 3 have proven to be able to put together an honest to goodness NFL football team. Would any of the 3 walk? Would you, at the end of the day, care? god, I love these posts I wouldn't care if Whaley left, but he won't because there is no other GM job waiting for him. So if you are going to bring in someone to tell him how to do this job, just fire him and call the new guy the GM. None of this makes any sense at all otherwise. If the Pegulas bring in a "czar", to me that means they don't know what in the world to do. You pick one guy to be in charge and hire no one else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Yeah, I don't see the need to cut him before next season either. Keep him in training camp, bring in another guy who can challenge TT for a starters spot and EJ for the backup spot. If EJ can't beat him out cut him. If he does keep him. OK, it's done! (Isn't there a sizable cap savings by cutting him? If there is, about 2.8M then he's cut.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 OK, it's done! (Isn't there a sizable cap savings by cutting him? If there is, about 2.8M then he's cut.) Yeah, I don't know about the cap. If there is a sizable chunk saved then yeah, cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I wouldn't care if Whaley left, but he won't because there is no other GM job waiting for him. So if you are going to bring in someone to tell him how to do this job, just fire him and call the new guy the GM. None of this makes any sense at all otherwise. If the Pegulas bring in a "czar", to me that means they don't know what in the world to do. You pick one guy to be in charge and hire no one else. Not if you do see potential in Whaley. If The Family Pegula do bring in someone it means that they're smart enough to realize that they need some guidance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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