Virgil Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The more I think about the talent on this roster. The more I think about how the entire identity of this this team has changed in offensive and defensive style. And the more I look at what other teams are doing with their level of talent..... The more I can only blame the coaching for this joke of a season. What do we have on our team? A defense that can absolutely be top 3 and was proven last year. We have a QB that, if you look at stats, is good enough to get the job done. We have a top RB, WR, and TE. All of this together is more than enough to get it done in the league this season. Now granted, other teams will make the playoffs this year because their division is crap and they don't have an undefeated team tearing it up ahead of them. But that's not making us 5-6. And for those who want to say that it takes a team a while to learn a new system, there are other head coaches and teams doing it too. Not enough of an excuse for our record. End of the day, we are in worse shape than last year and I could strongly argue that we have a better overall roster. Coaches don't make the plays, but they put players in the position to win and motivate them to execute. Rex's teams have always been sloppy. Roman's team have always hampered WR's. And while I'm on Roman, take that play where the QB slides to one side of the field, hoping to throw or run it in, and throw is the !@#$ out. It worked one time for EJ and that's it. It's failed countless other times. I firmly believe that, while I can't stand how it ended, but if we had this roster with the same coaching staff as last year, we are at least 7-4 right now. It's Rex, it's Roman, it's this stand-in DC, and I don't know how to believe that next year or any year with Rex as coach will be any different. Russ Brandon has his work cut out for him in selling this team to the fans next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I 100% disagree. This was a poorly assembled roster by Whaley who blew assets and grossly overpaid for skill positions yet negleted the o-line and QB. He also negleted adding quality depth to an aging and declining defense. This really is an 8-8/9-7 roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Too simplistic IMO. It comes to to every facet of the game including coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 the supposed "defensive genius" took the top 2 or 3 defense in the entire NFL from last year and put us at the bottom half. nice work Rex. our personnel didn't suit his scheme but he's incapable of changing things up because it doesn't follow the blueprint that he daddy taught him. so he has great pass rushers dropping into coverage trying to cover running backs and receivers in the flat, they have 22 yr old Preston Brown calling the plays (Ray Lewis he is not), and a handful of former Jets players that aren't any good but are getting significant playing time. maybe the NY media was right. it's only a matter of time before Rex gets found out and labeled a fraud and that time is getting near Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I firmly believe that, while I can't stand how it ended, but if we had this roster with the same coaching staff as last year, we are at least 7-4 right now. It's Rex, it's Roman, it's this stand-in DC, and I don't know how to believe that next year or any year with Rex as coach will be any different. Maroon took that decision out of our hands. I 100% disagree. This was a poorly assembled roster by Whaley who blew assets and grossly overpaid for skill positions yet negleted the o-line and QB. He also negleted adding quality depth to an aging and declining defense. This really is an 8-8/9-7 roster. Aging and declining defense? Outside of Kyle Williams, who is aging? Mario? Manny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 I 100% disagree. This was a poorly assembled roster by Whaley who blew assets and grossly overpaid for skill positions yet negleted the o-line and QB. He also negleted adding quality depth to an aging and declining defense. This really is an 8-8/9-7 roster. I challenge you with the Pats offensive line. And I still think we have top 5 talent on the defensive line, including our depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Players gotta make plays. Blame coaching all you want if that makes you feel better, but Rex doesn't tackle, or catch or personal foul or hold or fumble. Give me smart players, make better decisions on intelligence and mental capacity and you'll have a better team. Draft guys like McKelvin and you waste first round picks being blinded by skill with a peanut brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I 100% disagree. This was a poorly assembled roster by Whaley who blew assets and grossly overpaid for skill positions yet negleted the o-line and QB. He also negleted adding quality depth to an aging and declining defense. This really is an 8-8/9-7 roster. McKelvin is our 4th CB. Charles Bryant is a backup DT. Rambo is like the 4th string safety......and we dont have depth of defense? Where are we aging? That comment was totally off base. Our D is stacked with studs. The only thing that makes sense that you said was the OL. We definitely should have focused there more. BUT at the same time, he replaced 2 of the 5 starters, or 40%, this off season. The QB neglect is a multiple year problem which pre-dates Whaley altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 It's almost NEVER all or nothing. In this case, it's FAR more on Rex than Whaley. Rex is who we thought he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 your nuts or been tipping a few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Like the two guys who let pick-sixes bounce off their hands today? That kind of lousy coaching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I look at the your "coaching sucks" from 3 phases. Special Teams: no argument from me, i think they've underperformed with the exception of our surprise pro bowler Colton. I could see Crossman being replaced. offense: i honestly think an offensive system takes a full season to get rolling, especially Roman's complex schemes and having a qb who has started zero games until this season. Im skeptical because Shady, Clay and Sammy are all top 10 at their position talent wise, and our Oline (except Henderson) is pretty good, yet we usually don't put up enough points with these guys to pull out the close games. Roman needs to get his freaking plays in earlier though. TT never has a hard count chance to draw offsides because he's battling the play clock. Cost us a penalty today too. Fix that tomorrow. Defense: I can't believe Darby has turned out so solid this soon, and Gilmore has finally turned the corner to reliable. It seemed like our only offseason worry. Our penalties are ridiculous, but we've had some good games like NE last week with no Kyle, Mario or Aaron Williams. Not sure if Rex or Thurman called this game but that 8 man front blitz in the 4th they were SO ready for from watching Pats game film, bad call by our coaches. And some bad no challenge calls too. There can't be simple solutions like so many of us like to post here. These coaches are at the top of their profession and have had winning playoff squads, there isn't a poster on this board that knows 5% of what Rex or Roman knows about NFL football. Its hard to say they suck if we don't have the understanding of the game and why they're coaching the way they do. My vote is one more year for everyone except maybe Crossman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The coaching has definitely been the reason this season has been so disappointing. If you are going to have the 17th-20th ranked D in the league you gotta' be a QB driven team. Imagine what this season would look like if Taylor hadn't emerged and they were trying to ground and pound with Cassel at QB. I think the defensive injuries are a product of the system as well. Poor coordination lead to a lot more snaps for the front and Mario and KW aren't two-gap anchor players and the sideline-to-sideline mileage was bound to catch up to Bradham. Terrible use of personnel by the defensive coaching staff and the special teams have been poorly coached and a huge disappointment as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 If you want to sell this team to the fans next year, get a head coach who can coach. Talk doesn't win games; knowing how to coach does. Ask Mr. B. what it's all about. He may not answer because talk is not cheap for him; he wins by silently coaching, year after year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 If you want to sell this team to the fans next year, get a head coach who can coach. Talk doesn't win games; knowing how to coach does. Ask Mr. B. what it's all about. He may not answer because talk is not cheap for him; he wins by silently coaching, year after year. ^ This Allan in MD made one of my points for me. All you had to do was listen to Rex blather on in his post-game presser today; speaking very opaqualry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 ^ This Allan in MD made one of my points for me. All you had to do was listen to Rex blather on in his post-game presser today; speaking very opaqualry by giving some gobbledeygook answers about what went wrong today; talking about some schemes in Coach-babble while heaping praise on the Chiefs for "making a few more plays than we did". And his answers for challenging or not challenging certain plays were laughable. I was driving home from Florida to GA today during the game and was able to sneak in some peeks on my phone. My main takeaways from this team, this year, are as follows: complete underachievement of the talent on this roster, due in part to the neutering of the D by Rex's imposition of his vision (square peg/round hole) - then an admission around week 10 that he did it incorrectly. Great game plan against Brady, then the Bills can't lay a hand on Alex Smith. The players like Rex b/c he creates a warm familial feeling, but holds no one to account and refuses to call anyone out publicly, except the kicker. Yeah, that works Rex. Complete lack of discipline and self-control which leads to way too many penalties esp. at the worst times. This lack of discipline invites mistakes and permeates itself from the top down. There is a reason why the best teams find ways to win & the worst ones find ways to lose, like today. It dawned on me today with one word: PROFESSIONALISM. This team has talent but is not professional in conducting its business, and is not put in positions to maximize its skill sets. This is directly on Rex and his staff; i.e., calling a sweep around left end for Cement Shoes Boobie? Even Rich Gannon sniffed that one out quickly. Not getting the ball to Sammy in 2H was criminal; Roman had a hot hand with Sammy and lost it. He could have used a myriad of means to get him the ball: bubble screens, quick slants/outs, etc. As I mentioned in another thread, sorry to sound like a Debbie Downer, but color me unimpressed that the Steelers lost. How pathetic that we have to hope/pray on others' outcomes so the Bills can maybe, just possibly, backdoor into to the last WC spot. And all the talk of how "easy" the Bills remaining schedule is; seriously? If nothing else, this team and its consistent underachievement should not give anyone pause for assuming anything. How far we have fallen that we used to win our division in the 90s and now we have to just have to settle for a sniff of the second WC, which seems like a complete longshot after giveaways like today's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronyAbounds Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 your nuts or been tipping a few Why is the OP nuts? Can you name anything in terms of coaching that Rex Ryan has done with the Bills that is better than average? Or for that matter, even average? Are you telling me that a roster that is certainly no worse that last year's and almost certainly better than last year is headed toward a record that is likely worse and certainly no better than last year? What has Rex Ryan DONE, not SAID, but DONE, to suggest to you that he is a quality NFL head coach. I really want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 As I mentioned in another thread, sorry to sound like a Debbie Downer, but color me unimpressed that the Steelers lost. How pathetic that we have to hope/pray on others' outcomes so the Bills can maybe, just possibly, backdoor into to the last WC spot. I don't think we will win out so I really don't think we need to worry about a WC spot anymore. Gone. Poof. Koo Koo Cahoo type of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Injuries is 50%. Penalties are 20% - sorry but that is all on the players not the coaches. Lack of talent on the OL and OLB is 14%. Coaching is 10%. Duke Williams is 1% - he really sucks. The QB when healthy with healthy weapons has been good enough to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) Coaching is taking multiple DOG penalties or burning timeouts simply because your players don't hustle back after a long incompletion. Coaching is the disorganization in the two-minute drill that doesn't even call multiple plays in the huddle so when the headsets go out, you don't look like a fool making "I can't hear" charades to the sidelines. Coaching is the failure to gameplan to maximize your strengths and take advantage of the opponents weaknesses, not the other way around. Coaching is not wasting valuable challenges on insignificant plays, then failing to challenge significant ones. Coaching is having 11 men on the defense after a change of possession, not 10 so you have to waste a timeout immediately after a TV timeout. Coaching is installing a two minute-drill so you're not huddling with the clock running with 3:00 left in a game where you're trailing 30-22. Coaching is benching a player who continues to commit bonehead penalty after bonehead penalty, which inflicts maximum damage on the team each time. I could go on, but I keep throwing up in my mouth just a little more with each sentence. Edited November 30, 2015 by Freddie's Dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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