Corey Graham

[BaaadThingsMan]

Safety play is key in most Defenses, the Jests havent been the same without Pryor

[3rdand12]

Okay Coach, you are not on the "drawing board" and Mario gets paid big bucks to rush the passer, not "disrupt" passing routes. Whatever scheme all you geniuses imagine, your boy Corey HAS to make that tackle. And tell me about the great play Corey made last night - I did not see it. I saw him missing an easy tackle and get called for a killer, game changing penalty. What brilliance did you see, other than vague references to "he played great". Unless you reviewed the game film, neither you or any Bills coach can tell you how well he played. You really think watching a game on tv qualifies you to judge the quality of safety play? Please!!

Actually quite a bit of the D line and LBs job is to disrupt pass routes/fill pass lanes after shedding the block. especially with a quick release. why focus on Corey though? He just switched positions?

No question he has made an error or three and missed a tackle or two. But we can pick on just about anyone if that is your agenda?

Okay Coach, you are not on the "drawing board" and Mario gets paid big bucks to rush the passer, not "disrupt" passing routes. Whatever scheme all you geniuses imagine, your boy Corey HAS to make that tackle. And tell me about the great play Corey made last night - I did not see it. I saw him missing an easy tackle and get called for a killer, game changing penalty. What brilliance did you see, other than vague references to "he played great". Unless you reviewed the game film, neither you or any Bills coach can tell you how well he played. You really think watching a game on tv qualifies you to judge the quality of safety play? Please!!

Thats a bit much 55. Are you an NFL safety or perhaps a D backs coach? I can sense your are pissed, but why so much at Graham. Hate Duke Williams mistakes! Like i do!!

Safety play is key in most Defenses, the Jests havent been the same without Pryor

Nor Bills minus Aaron Williams

[Badasss]

He rarely misses a tackle. Last night's blunder was surprising.

[dave mcbride]

A) his excellent deep coverage led directly to the gilmore pick.

 

B) it now appears that the td at the end of the first half was the product of mario going rogue and trying to pad his sack stats (at least according to ray lewis, who knows how rex's D works).

Edited November 25, 2015 by dave mcbride

[Dragonborn10]

Graham, Williams, Gilmore, and Darby when healthy s the best defensive backfield in football. McKelvin/Rambo are good enough to start on most teams and make ridiculously good nickel, dime, and three safety packages.

 

The linebacker play was really poor for the first half of the season but is getting better. DL production is hard to quantify but they are playing well too.

 

Duke Williams should not be on the roster. He is awful.

[machine gun kelly]

Graham is a solid DB who is very versatile. He made one bad play, and rex's defense requires a lot from the safeties. He rarely misses tackles and will look much different with Aaron Williams at 100%. I also like Rambo, and D. Williams absolutely sucks. He was exposed again last night in the second half.

[NoSaint]

For perspective on the pay comment he's the 25th highest paid (using average pay per year) safety and mid 30s at CB.

 

So sliiiiiightly above average pay. No problem with that.

[dulles]

Of course he is not part of the problem. In a low scoring game, he completely gave up one touchdown to the Pats with his horrible coverage and tackling. Then committed a dumb penalty which negated Bills interception which would have had them in scoring position at New England 20 yard line. Two huge game changing plays in a very low scoring game. But according to you, "he's not even a part of the problem". Well how ever you spin it he was a HUGE part of the problem last night.

 

But thanks - you made my point - Teflon Corey - above ANY criticism, no matter how huge his blunders are.

Umm, this is not a consistent logical argument. I did a quick review. Here's your result: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question

This type of illogical argument only works on talk radio. If you've got a good voice, perhaps you could make a run at Rome or the Herd. Otherwise, I suggest you sharpen the argument a bit.

Graham, Williams, Gilmore, and Darby when healthy s the best defensive backfield in football. McKelvin/Rambo are good enough to start on most teams and make ridiculously good nickel, dime, and three safety packages.

 

The linebacker play was really poor for the first half of the season but is getting better. DL production is hard to quantify but they are playing well too.

 

Duke Williams should not be on the roster. He is awful.

That's the real problem on D. On that missed tackle, Duke looked like they dragged a scalper off the corner before the game and threw a uniform on the dude. I certainly wasn't happy with the missed tackle by Graham...He needs to bring the guy down, but Duke has to go. I'm looking forward to seeing what Whaley can do in the draft at S and LB. He's got a nose for defensive prospects.

[dave mcbride]

Okay Coach, you are not on the "drawing board" and Mario gets paid big bucks to rush the passer, not "disrupt" passing routes. Whatever scheme all you geniuses imagine, your boy Corey HAS to make that tackle. And tell me about the great play Corey made last night - I did not see it. I saw him missing an easy tackle and get called for a killer, game changing penalty. What brilliance did you see, other than vague references to "he played great". Unless you reviewed the game film, neither you or any Bills coach can tell you how well he played. You really think watching a game on tv qualifies you to judge the quality of safety play? Please!!

Following your logic, if he didn't hold Gronkowski on that reversed INT, Gronkowski makes the catch. The hold basically prevented a 15-20 yard pickup. So what's the issue there?

[Fixxxer]

Okay Coach, you are not on the "drawing board" and Mario gets paid big bucks to rush the passer, not "disrupt" passing routes. Whatever scheme all you geniuses imagine, your boy Corey HAS to make that tackle. And tell me about the great play Corey made last night - I did not see it. I saw him missing an easy tackle and get called for a killer, game changing penalty. What brilliance did you see, other than vague references to "he played great". Unless you reviewed the game film, neither you or any Bills coach can tell you how well he played. You really think watching a game on tv qualifies you to judge the quality of safety play? Please!!

 

I'm a regular Bill Bellichick (without the cheating)

 

Never in my post I said Graham was brillant on Monday night, he missed that tackle and had the penalty that negated the early interception which was just plain dumb.

Regarding Mario Williams, I agree with you, I would ask him to rush the passer most of the time, but when the blitzing package calls for him to do other things, he has to do it. Watch some of the Patriots games and you will see from time to time their LBs and DE messing with receivers routes at the start of the play so the QB doesn't have a quick outlet, they redirect them and then apply pressure.

[Joeziehmer]

Graham, Gilmore, Darby, and Wilson have cemented themselves in coverage. Loser McFumbles helps us lose.

[Kelly the Dog]

Great players make some bad plays. Very good players make a decent amount of bad plays like missing tackles that lead to touchdowns. Good players make a surprisingly lot of bad plays. Lousy players make consistently bad plays.

 

Corey Graham is somewhere between very good and good. He's extremely versatile. He's decent in pass and run support. He can cover one on one. He can hit hard. He's an all pro special teams player.

 

He missed a huge tackle that he needs to make if the Bills are to beat the Pats in NE on a Monday night. Simple as that.

[NoSaint]

Great players make some bad plays. Very good players make a decent amount of bad plays like missing tackles that lead to touchdowns. Good players make a surprisingly lot of bad plays. Lousy players make consistently bad plays.

 

Corey Graham is somewhere between very good and good. He's extremely versatile. He's decent in pass and run support. He can cover one on one. He can hit hard. He's an all pro special teams player.

 

He missed a huge tackle that he needs to make if the Bills are to beat the Pats in NE on a Monday night. Simple as that.

For a guy that's paid around 60th or so among secondary players-- all very fair

[Freddie's Dead]

Last night was typical Corey. Caught holding a scrub receiver who makes a lot less money than him, a holding call which cost us that huge interception early in the game.

First, the scrub was Gronk, and second, the hold by Graham is the ONLY reason Gronk bobbled the pass into Rambo's hands. Enough with the "his hold nullified the INT". IT CREATED THE INT!!!

[Nanker]

Hey, I once saw Muhammad Ali get knocked down in the ring. Seriously. I did.

[Not at the table Karlos]

Little attention has been paid to the miscues of Graham. A fairly high priced free agent (for his position) gained favor with media/fans with a couple of good early season performances in the 2014 season. But things actually went south later in that season with several terrible miscues, specifically giving up long, game changing touchdowns against Houston and Oakland by employing inexplicably bad technique of looking into the backfield while covering the teams fastest receiver on a fly route.

 

Last night was typical Corey. Caught holding a scrub receiver who makes a lot less money than him, a holding call which cost us that huge interception early in the game. Later in the half he is super slow in getting over to cover a running back on a simple swing pass, and then lets that same 5th string back break his sad ass attempt at a tackle to score a game changing TD.

 

But Teflon Corey manages to escape criticism, in spite of a disturbing trend of bad plays in big situations.

it's amazing how many people come on here and just flatout make things up

[John from Riverside]

The real question is......why did defenders not swarm to the ball

 

Here me out on this......

 

Yes Graham missed the tackle.....but he also for an instant slowed the receiver to a stop.....then the receiver had to break AWAY from the defender's grasp slowing him down even more.....your telling me the faster players on the field could not track him down/take the angle to cut him off from the end zone?

[The Frankish Reich]

The Bills held the Cheaters to 20 points in their own house. Graham and the defense wasn't the problem.

And really 7 of those points are on McLoser and his fumbled punt. I think Graham has been fine.

[Kelly the Dog]

And really 7 of those points are on McLoser and his fumbled punt. I think Graham has been fine.

I think the Bills held after that turnover and the Pats just got a FG. They got one first down after getting it on the 30. Great stand actually.

[The Frankish Reich]

I think the Bills held after that turnover and the Pats just got a FG. They got one first down after getting it on the 30. Great stand actually.

Oops. Maybe I just prefer my version of history in which McKelvin is personally responsible for all that is bad in Bills land.