5 Wide Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 My biggest issue with all this nonsense is that there are borderline infractions on damn near every play.... It seems the flags get pulled out at selective times and in a lopsided way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 The guy didn't even buckle or bend from the block. There is no reason to make that call. I understand bad calls from bad angles. That happens all the time. But not only did Incognito hit him at the waist, the guy didn't even bend from the hit. Intolerable call. I think the refs make that call 10 out of 10 times, regardless of where the contact happens. And that's due to their over-aggressive interpretation of the rule. It's wrong, but that's the way games are being called. O-linemen can't lunge and make contact with an engaged defender. To double-team they have to stay on their feet. Otherwise, the overwhelming odds are that the referee is going to make the call. Incognito didn't have to leave his feet to help with that block. If he takes one more step and stays on his feet, that call has no chance of happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Greg Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Horrible, horrible call. To throw that flag and take a touchdown off the board... just a soft, weak, NFL ref style call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 He was going for the waist IMO...and succeded. Calling penalties by reading the players' mind is a very slippery slope. Yep, no penalty there. His hands touched below the waist, he hit above it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 He went lower than the other OL's engagement point, they'll call that every time. He should know better, and coaches should make sure our players know better. no....sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilLions Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Stupid play. The guy is already effectively blocked. And how about the pressure getting thru up the middle ? No ones going to split hairs and say it was his waist, thigh, nut sack, whatever. Richie is dropping down at a descending angle . If you're going to hit him gotta be high, as in chest area . PUH-LEASE, GIVE ME A BREAK. What was that thing on his lip? A mustache? Dirty Sanchez? Hah! Yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 The head referee threw the chop block penalty flag. He was on opposite side of formation and view partially blocked by line and Tyrod Taylor. Just s bad call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Greg Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 The head referee threw the chop block penalty flag. He was on opposite side of formation and view partially blocked by line and Tyrod Taylor. Just s bad call. And I mean, we're arguing over whether his finger tips touched slightly below the waist. The defender wasn't even CHOPPED down. Keep the flag in your pocket Nancy. It's football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Reminds me of the tripping call in hockey. The ref doesn`t see the trip, but sees the guy go down and makes the call, even though the guy tripped on his own. BS call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 From the NFL rule book: A chop block is a foul by the offense in which one offensive player (designated as A1 for purposes of this rule) blocks a defensive player in the area of the thigh or lower while another offensive player (A2) occupies that same defensive player in one of the circumstances described in subsections (1) through (10) below. The penalty on Incognito was not a penalty. But apparently, according to a bunch of the experts here, Richie intended to hit the guy low when he lunged but missed and ended up hitting him high............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I think the refs make that call 10 out of 10 times, regardless of where the contact happens. And that's due to their over-aggressive interpretation of the rule. It's wrong, but that's the way games are being called. O-linemen can't lunge and make contact with an engaged defender. To double-team they have to stay on their feet. Otherwise, the overwhelming odds are that the referee is going to make the call. Incognito didn't have to leave his feet to help with that block. If he takes one more step and stays on his feet, that call has no chance of happening. I agree 100 percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) This seems like an odd thing to say. He made a split second move in a football play and made a legitimate block. Got flagged for a legal block, but he's at fault for putting the refs in a position to make a bad call? Is this a real thing? I concur. The players abide by the rules or don't. If they do something legal, they shouldn't worry about being penalized. Furthermore, in the clutch most officials put the flags away when the game is on the line to avoid criticism for borderline calls, let alone a legal play. This one is on the official. If Incognito didn't fall, it isn't a penalty. This sets up a dangerous precedent. Edited October 5, 2015 by justnzane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 The chop block rule was enacted to prevent defenders from getting their knees blown-out. This wasn't even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 You can blame the refs all you want but did Incognito need to do that? He should never have put the refs in that situation in the first place. You say that now, until of course theres a play where he decides now not to help out on a block, the defender gets free and the QB is sacked and your screaming why Richie didn't help out and just stood around...... It was a blown call that the Bills will hear about when the league send out their apology letters. The referee defenders here can say all they want about intent or whatever, but the rule states thighs or lower, last time I checked the waist was above the thighs............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 The refs have too much influence on the outcome of the game. Borderline game changing penalties are being called at the drop of a hat. It's like a crap shoot. A big play happens, then you look around and check for flags. Whether it's a legit call or not is just plain luck it seems. Teams' seasons can hinge on if the refs are pms'ing or whatever that day. It's a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) Is it worth mentioning that the the play occurred in garbage time and that the Bills had virtually no chance of winning even if they scored? There was less than a minute to go. Edited October 5, 2015 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 You say that now, until of course theres a play where he decides now not to help out on a block, the defender gets free and the QB is sacked and your screaming why Richie didn't help out and just stood around...... It was a blown call that the Bills will hear about when the league send out their apology letters. The referee defenders here can say all they want about intent or whatever, but the rule states thighs or lower, last time I checked the waist was above the thighs............. Yeah, and that letter and 25 cents will be worth 25 cents. This is really simple. When a Buffalo Bill taunts an opponent, he's getting flagged. When a Buffalo Bill shoves or punches an opponent after a whistle, he's getting flagged. When someone on the bench mouths off to an official, he's getting flagged. When an engaged defender gets spun around, the Bills O lineman is getting flagged. When an O lineman lunges at an engaged defender, he's getting flagged. It doesn't matter what the rulebook says, that's how the refs are calling that game, so that's what's going to happen. And no apology is going to change that. Until the Bills actually adjust to these realities, the SOS is going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 The worst part is that the idea of advantage / disadvantage is not used anymore by officials. In every sport, if the player committing the foul gains an advantage, call the penalty. If it has no effect, don't call it. RI did not disadvantage the player (hell he didn't even fall). Plain and simple don't make that call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 He went lower than the other OL's engagement point, they'll call that every time. He should know better, and coaches should make sure our players know better. Agreed. How many stupid penalties today did we definitely deserve. We're gonna nitpick one or two maybe questionable ones? The worst part is that the idea of advantage / disadvantage is not used anymore by officials. In every sport, if the player committing the foul gains an advantage, call the penalty. If it has no effect, don't call it. RI did not disadvantage the player (hell he didn't even fall). Plain and simple don't make that call. Except this isn't a competitive advantage penalty, it's for player safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Horrible, horrible call. To throw that flag and take a touchdown off the board... just a soft, weak, NFL ref style call. Thing is, the ref throws the flag just as the pass is released so he doesn't really know its going to be a TD. My beef is the over-officiating. The Ref "thinks" he sees a guy block low but if it's not 100% obvious why is he flagging it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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