SWATeam Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 We could package up and get a second! The Bills need another Troup in the worst way. Might as well finish it off... If somehow we can get another first, we need another Maybin in the worst way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) You're clearly right. How could we find another meh out there?!? Ask Dallas, they just had to trade for one. I suppose they had a bunch of guys they loved in FA, but just wanted to get rid of some picks to help out the Bills. Edited September 24, 2015 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Ask Dallas, they just had to trade for one. I suppose they had a bunch of guys they loved in FA, but just wanted to get rid of some picks to help out the Bills.And it cost them nothing if I'm to listen to your evaluation. So what's the big deal you are throwing a fit over? In the rare scenario we lose 2 qbs we can go find a rather meh quality one easily. Odds are we won't have to. Edited September 24, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 @mikerodak Bills take confusing stance on Matt Cassel trade, EJ Manuel promotion: http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/180637/bills-take-confusing-stance-on-matt-cassel-trade-ej-manuel-promotion Rodak articles are always confusing for he mixes up facts with his opinions so it is no surprise it is a "confusing stance" to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 And it cost them nothing if I'm to listen to your evaluation. So what's the big deal you are throwing a fit over? In the rare scenario we lose 2 qbs we can go find a rather meh quality one easily. Odds are we won't have to. I think you're confusing confusion and fits. It just seems like we 180'd over two weeks. I'm not really sure why. But I'll end it there, because it seems some folks are getting upset that I'm consistent, instead of flip-flopping at the altar of Whaley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I think you're confusing confusion and fits. It just seems like we 180'd over two weeks. I'm not really sure why. But I'll end it there, because it seems some folks are getting upset that I'm consistent, instead of flip-flopping at the altar of Whaley. Flip flopping? Whaley liked him but only at a specific value. He was willing to lose him for nothing to get there. He was willing to part ways for minimal compensation even once there. Really have to contort to get there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Flip flopping? Whaley liked him but only at a specific value. He was willing to lose him for nothing to get there. He was willing to part ways for minimal compensation even once there. Really have to contort to get there.... But liked him enough to be our #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 But liked him enough to be our #2. And? That requires flip flopping to understand? If you don't view it in absolutes it's incredibly easy to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 And? That requires flip flopping to understand? If you don't view it in absolutes it's incredibly easy to follow. I'm not viewing it in absolutes. I'm just wondering how you can have a guy that you're confident in bringing home a game if your running QB gets dinged up, then say, "yeah, he's worth a fifth two years from now." You say he has a value of Cassel and a value of the 2017 pick, and the pick was higher. Fine. At what point do we place precedence on this season when we're "all in," and "get ready, we're going?" Seems incongruous. Having that pick won't make or break us this year, but having the guy who clearly was thought of as the second best QB on the roster might. I don't mean to claim that we can only exclusively be a short term thinking team. Cutting Fred was another thing I thought Whaley was wrong on, but I saw the rationale to re-sign Dareus. I don't view the 5th rounder two years from now anywhere CLOSE to that. Do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I'm not viewing it in absolutes. I'm just wondering how you can have a guy that you're confident in bringing home a game if your running QB gets dinged up, then say, "yeah, he's worth a fifth two years from now." You say he has a value of Cassel and a value of the 2017 pick, and the pick was higher. Fine. At what point do we place precedence on this season when we're "all in," and "get ready, we're going?" Seems incongruous. Having that pick won't make or break us this year, but having the guy who clearly was thought of as the second best QB on the roster might. I don't mean to claim that we can only exclusively be a short term thinking team. Cutting Fred was another thing I thought Whaley was wrong on, but I saw the rationale to re-sign Dareus. I don't view the 5th rounder two years from now anywhere CLOSE to that. Do you? It's fluid and sometimes subtle/indirect situations. And you are trying to pigeonhole them into greater and direct meanings. Fred dos not make dareus directly possible, but it did allow Whaley to find other more efficient uses for the roster spot and cash. If you must draw that direct line to gain context/understanding, go for it I guess. You could draw it to literally any signing in the next year (or a few). If we kept Fred would dareus be unsigned today? I REALLY doubt it personally, but still buy there was value in the move in overall roster construction and I'm fine with it. For Matt to be #2 isn't a declaration that he's a great option, or that are #3 is distantly behind. Clearly they were prepared to go with either guy as #2 but if carrying both, the close decision went to MC. That extra value seemed to be worth approx 2m and a roster spot, but not $2m a roster spot and a pick, so they took the offer. They had MC at literally the max expense the could justify so they moved on when the Cowboys increased the opportunity cost of keeping him. It's a seemingly very small change in quality of #2, and a bit more of a gap in #3 probably but midway through September I'd venture that we see little risk of that and in turn have gained a roster spot, cap space, a draft pick, and given more reps to a guy they see as heading in an upward trajectory. In two weeks tyrod showed well, ej likely showed well, cassel might not have been (heck they might even think long term the new baby will be a distraction to him) and an 1/8 of the injury risk is washed out already for that worst case scenario. if you saw any other team do it, it wouldn't even begin to register as noteworthy yet alone confusing. Just a fringe player with limited value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 It's fluid and sometimes subtle/indirect situations. And you are trying to pigeonhole them into greater and direct meanings. Fred dos not make dareus directly possible, but it did allow Whaley to find other more efficient uses for the roster spot and cash. If you must draw that direct line to gain context/understanding, go for it I guess. You could draw it to literally any signing in the next year (or a few). If we kept Fred would dareus be unsigned today? I REALLY doubt it personally, but still buy there was value in the move in overall roster construction and I'm fine with it. For Matt to be #2 isn't a declaration that he's a great option, or that are #3 is distantly behind. Clearly they were prepared to go with either guy as #2 but if carrying both, the close decision went to MC. That extra value seemed to be worth approx 2m and a roster spot, but not $2m a roster spot and a pick, so they took the offer. They had MC at literally the max expense the could justify so they moved on when the Cowboys increased the opportunity cost of keeping him. It's a seemingly very small change in quality of #2, and a bit more of a gap in #3 probably but midway through September I'd venture that we see little risk of that and in turn have gained a roster spot, cap space, a draft pick, and given more reps to a guy they see as heading in an upward trajectory. In two weeks tyrod showed well, ej likely showed well, cassel might not have been (heck they might even think long term the new baby will be a distraction to him) and an 1/8 of the injury risk is washed out already for that worst case scenario. if you saw any other team do it, it wouldn't even begin to register as noteworthy yet alone confusing. Just a fringe player with limited value. That's probably true. In fact, it is. The Vikings moved on from Cassel the exact same way. Just too close to the situation I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I'm betting Cassel wishes he took that extension the Bills offered months ago. Thank goodness he didn't though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I'm betting Cassel wishes he took that extension the Bills offered months ago. Thank goodness he didn't though. Who knows the terms. Could've had him stuck in a situation he doesn't like long term, for all we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 It's fluid and sometimes subtle/indirect situations. And you are trying to pigeonhole them into greater and direct meanings. Fred dos not make dareus directly possible, but it did allow Whaley to find other more efficient uses for the roster spot and cash. If you must draw that direct line to gain context/understanding, go for it I guess. You could draw it to literally any signing in the next year (or a few). If we kept Fred would dareus be unsigned today? I REALLY doubt it personally, but still buy there was value in the move in overall roster construction and I'm fine with it. For Matt to be #2 isn't a declaration that he's a great option, or that are #3 is distantly behind. Clearly they were prepared to go with either guy as #2 but if carrying both, the close decision went to MC. That extra value seemed to be worth approx 2m and a roster spot, but not $2m a roster spot and a pick, so they took the offer. They had MC at literally the max expense the could justify so they moved on when the Cowboys increased the opportunity cost of keeping him. It's a seemingly very small change in quality of #2, and a bit more of a gap in #3 probably but midway through September I'd venture that we see little risk of that and in turn have gained a roster spot, cap space, a draft pick, and given more reps to a guy they see as heading in an upward trajectory. In two weeks tyrod showed well, ej likely showed well, cassel might not have been (heck they might even think long term the new baby will be a distraction to him) and an 1/8 of the injury risk is washed out already for that worst case scenario. if you saw any other team do it, it wouldn't even begin to register as noteworthy yet alone confusing. Just a fringe player with limited value. Great post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 It's fluid and sometimes subtle/indirect situations. And you are trying to pigeonhole them into greater and direct meanings. Fred dos not make dareus directly possible, but it did allow Whaley to find other more efficient uses for the roster spot and cash. If you must draw that direct line to gain context/understanding, go for it I guess. You could draw it to literally any signing in the next year (or a few). If we kept Fred would dareus be unsigned today? I REALLY doubt it personally, but still buy there was value in the move in overall roster construction and I'm fine with it. For Matt to be #2 isn't a declaration that he's a great option, or that are #3 is distantly behind. Clearly they were prepared to go with either guy as #2 but if carrying both, the close decision went to MC. That extra value seemed to be worth approx 2m and a roster spot, but not $2m a roster spot and a pick, so they took the offer. They had MC at literally the max expense the could justify so they moved on when the Cowboys increased the opportunity cost of keeping him. It's a seemingly very small change in quality of #2, and a bit more of a gap in #3 probably but midway through September I'd venture that we see little risk of that and in turn have gained a roster spot, cap space, a draft pick, and given more reps to a guy they see as heading in an upward trajectory. In two weeks tyrod showed well, ej likely showed well, cassel might not have been (heck they might even think long term the new baby will be a distraction to him) and an 1/8 of the injury risk is washed out already for that worst case scenario. if you saw any other team do it, it wouldn't even begin to register as noteworthy yet alone confusing. Just a fringe player with limited value. This is a really good post. You should email it to Jerry Sullivan and Vic Carucci because they simply can't wrap their heads around the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) This is a really good post. You should email it to Jerry Sullivan and Vic Carucci because they simply can't wrap their heads around the situation. That's because they don't want to accept the reality of the situation. Just because David Lee said Cassel was a good classroom guy doesn't mean his "good" carried over to the field. Rex also said in his presser that Cassel got the #2 nod due to his veteran status. In two weeks of practice, could the "light" have clicked on for EJ? Only the coaches know. Not Jerry Sullivan or Vic Carucci. EJ Manuel is the #2 QB for the Buffalo Bills. Get over it and accept it!! Edited September 24, 2015 by the skycap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I feel like there has been a slight overreaction about trading a backup QB who was here for 7 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 lol Happy Face I think you're confusing confusion and fits. It just seems like we 180'd over two weeks. I'm not really sure why. But I'll end it there, because it seems some folks are getting upset that I'm consistent, instead of flip-flopping at the altar of Whaley. Only if YOU thought you were smarter than a GM. Your desire to see EJM cut or traded has blinded you to the bigger picture set in place by Whaley at the beginning if this year maybe? I feel like there has been a slight overreaction about trading a backup QB who was here for 7 months. ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 How did Baltimore survive with only TT as the unproven backup to Flacco for all those years? EJ has more starter experience in the NFL than Tayor does. He's no rookie either. But he's finally in a spot where he can develop... which is where he should be. Too bad for those realists that are perplexed by #rogue's wheelings and dealings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I feel like there has been a slight overreaction about trading a backup QB who was here for 7 months. Especially since it's Cassel, a below average back up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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