Agent 91 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) Just an honest question. What about that matchup leads people to believe that this is the ideal pairing. Wouldnt it be better to put Lawson who has proven that he can stay with smaller faster guys while nullifying Gronkowskis length and coming in a mere 20-25 pounds lighter. I think a second option would be Bradham. I just dont think I like the idea of safeties and certainly cbs matched up with the big guy. Any ideas would be greatly welcomed. Edited September 19, 2015 by Agent 91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 The Bills will mix up coverages on Gronk. This has been Rex's pattern. The primary question is who covers him in the red zone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 The Bills will mix up coverages on Gronk. This has been Rex's pattern. The primary question is who covers him in the red zone? Straight double; no disguise. Lawson + Graham Most likely means that NE**** will run the ball, as they typically like to do, but that's fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Straight double; no disguise. Lawson + Graham Most likely means that NE**** will run the ball, as they typically like to do, but that's fine with me. i assume they will have Chandler out there at the same time in the red zone... What do you do with both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 The Patriot's use a Tight End cloaking device. The reason it is so effective is it only works on Defensive players. Everyone one else can see them. I think Gilmore is unaware of this. This conclusion was developed in the late 90's when Ben Coates went consistantly uncovered during Bill's games. NE has a tendency to over use it when they are close to the goal line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) Gilmore is big, physical, and corners tend to really do well on tight ends despite fans fearing the size issue. I recall in the jimmy graham tag discussion that when covered by a corner his targets dropped, when targeted his catch percentage dropped 5-10% (or something similar), his ypc dropped. He essentially went from elite passing stats against anyone but a corner to his comp being like the 63rd best receiving threat against a CB. (63 being made up but it was in that bad 2 to good 3 range, if I recall) Part of the "you don't pay a tight end like a wr" argument was that their numbers go down pretty noticeably if a defense ever commits to using a corner on them while a Dez or Johnson or... puts up those top numbers against the top pass defender. In the graham data it was even small corners like grimes that did fine against him. I wouldn't do it alllll day but in multiple TE sets, sure thing I am. Edited September 19, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 i assume they will have Chandler out there at the same time in the red zone... What do you do with both? If the Bills force the Pats into going to Chandler and Amandola, that would be a step. They can play, but they're ordinary good players, not the breakout/YAC monsters that Gronk and Edelman are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 If the Bills force the Pats into going to Chandler and Amandola, that would be a step. They can play, but they're ordinary good players, not the breakout/YAC monsters that Gronk and Edelman are. true, I'm thinking more of right there in the end zone with Chandler. Like last week he had the 1yd TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 If the Bills force the Pats into going to Chandler and Amandola, that would be a step. They can play, but they're ordinary good players, not the breakout/YAC monsters that Gronk and Edelman are. Yea - manny against chandler, Darby/Robey against Edelman/amendola and Gilmore picking up gronk is my ideal. In a 2 TE 2 wr set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 i assume they will have Chandler out there at the same time in the red zone... What do you do with both? In the RZ, I have no problem playing Aaron on Chandler. If Brady**** has enough time to throw a jump ball to ScoChan, something's wrong. Yea - manny against chandler, Darby/Robey against Edelman/amendola and Gilmore picking up gronk is my ideal. In a 2 TE 2 wr set. My only worry there is that NE**** will run the ball to the edge, where Gronk will be able to seal against Gilmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 In the RZ, I have no problem playing Aaron on Chandler. If Brady**** has enough time to throw a jump ball to ScoChan, something's wrong. My only worry there is that NE**** will run the ball to the edge, where Gronk will be able to seal against Gilmore To the first part, I'm pretty sure chandlers feet never leave the ground when he jumps, so we have that going for us. To the second, obviously down, distance and formation all play a role but we do have safety and linebacker help running in that setup, and our line should help disrupt the running game too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Because Gilmore is our best physical pass defender and Gronkowski is their game breaking weapon that I want to take away. Belichick did it very effectively using Talib on Jimmy Graham and that is kind of the template for what I would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Because Gilmore is our best physical pass defender and Gronkowski is their game breaking weapon that I want to take away. Belichick did it very effectively using Talib on Jimmy Graham and that is kind of the template for what I would do. It wasn't even just talib- several teams went that way and graham struggled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Physical? Since when did holding jerseys and avoiding tackles become physical? Rose coloured glasses for sure. Gilmore is in year 4. He is there, making the plays that are asked of him. Nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 i assume they will have Chandler out there at the same time in the red zone... What do you do with both? Put Kong on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Physical? Since when did holding jerseys and avoiding tackles become physical? Rose coloured glasses for sure. Gilmore is in year 4. He is there, making the plays that are asked of him. Nothing more, nothing less. You can't be talking about Gilmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Have you watched his first 3 years? Again, he is there doing his job. He gets beat sometimes and breaks up plays the other times. Im not knocking him. Its just funny to see the rose coloured glasses. Save this thread please. He will not make a probowl. If so, I will eat crow. Gilmore getting schooled by Watkins: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Physical? Since when did holding jerseys and avoiding tackles become physical? Rose coloured glasses for sure. Gilmore is in year 4. He is there, making the plays that are asked of him. Nothing more, nothing less. You clearly didn't watch the last quarter of the '14 season where Gilmore was arguably a top 3 CB in the NFL. And his performance against the Colts was outstanding, all pro type performance. To say so isn't wearing rose colored glasses, it's just reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) I want to thank Fredex22 for voicing his opinion on Gilmore here. I'll add him to the list. What list you ask? The list of posters here who are fans of the game but clearly don't know the game very well. Because anyone that knows football well knows Gilmore is a very good talent. Edited September 19, 2015 by JM57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) Then uses practice to make his case lol. Ive never seen Gilmore avoid making a tackle. That's one of my favorite things about him. He will come up and tag someone in run support Edited September 19, 2015 by CNY315 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Sorry JM57 You clearly didn't watch the last quarter of the '14 season where Gilmore was arguably a top 3 CB in the NFL. And his performance against the Colts was outstanding, all pro type performance. To say so isn't wearing rose colored glasses, it's just reality. So you sayin that being a 10th overall pick and in the last quarter of his 3rd year he was a top CB in the league. To me that is just doing his job. JM57, thank you for putting me on that meaningless list of yours and keep on rockin in the free world. ( BTW, when will I see you on the sidelines? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) The two most important players on the Gronk factor tomorrow - Manny Lawson.....many is the only bills player on our team that has both coverage ability AND has the size in order to affect Gronk.....he should be involved all day in bracketing Gronk has he comes off the line wherever he is at. - Marcel D. .......while our DE's will no doubt create pressure from the outside......Brady will then want to slightly climb the pocket to buy a couple of precious seconds keeping his eyes downfield. When he does this he needs to run right into Marcel and his loving grasp. Brady needs to be made to be REALLY uncomfortable in the pocket forcing him to get rid of the ball fast....which means short throws....which we need to make sure we are surely tackled with no run after catch OR knock the ball away OR create the turnover And then we need our DL to shut down their running game THis is when they even have the ball which we should ensure they dont by long time consuming drives with points at the end of those drives. Physical? Since when did holding jerseys and avoiding tackles become physical? Rose coloured glasses for sure. Gilmore is in year 4. He is there, making the plays that are asked of him. Nothing more, nothing less. Methinks you need to learn more football.....so that you can understand what you are watching. Gilmore is a EXTREMEY physical corner.....aside from that dropped int last week he played exactly how you would want from a pro bowl corner Edited September 19, 2015 by John from Hemet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Then uses practice to make his case lol. Ive never seen Gilmore avoid making a tackle. That's one of my favorite things about him. He will come up and tag someone in run support I used one video that I saw awhile ago. Gilmore has been notorious for holding penalties and missing some easy plays. At the same time he has made some good plays. Can you read? He is just doing what is expected of him. Nothing close of a Revis or Sherman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 So you sayin that being a 10th overall pick and in the last quarter of his 3rd year he was a top CB in the league. To me that is just doing his job. That's absolutely ridiculous. Thanks for the chuckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 I used one video that I saw awhile ago. Gilmore has been notorious for holding penalties and missing some easy plays. At the same time he has made some good plays. Can you read? He is just doing what is expected of him. Nothing close of a Revis or Sherman. "Can you read?" Yea I read the nonsense you posted, that's why I responded. Gilmore is absolutely a physical corner. That isn't really up for debate. Physical football players generally get called for penalties more than others, it's something he's had to adjust to coming out of college where corners are allowed to be a little more physical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 "Can you read?" Yea I read the nonsense you posted, that's why I responded. Gilmore is absolutely a physical corner. That isn't really up for debate. Physical football players generally get called for penalties more than others, it's something he's had to adjust to coming out of college where corners are allowed to be a little more physical. No, no, don't you get it. He's just "doing his job" since he was picked at 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Have you watched his first 3 years? Again, he is there doing his job. He gets beat sometimes and breaks up plays the other times. Im not knocking him. Its just funny to see the rose coloured glasses. Save this thread please. He will not make a probowl. If so, I will eat crow. Gilmore getting schooled by Watkins: Yeah, no way is Gilmore physical enough for Gronk... http://m.buffalobills.com/video/videos/Stephon-Gilmore-breaks-up-long-pass-to-Gronkowski/7301efd9-a9dc-4bde-8c93-fc3b90616a25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 OH well, He's in a Bills uniform, get him in the HOF already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 OH well, He's in a Bills uniform, get him in the HOF already! Not one person in here said anything close to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 OH well, He's in a Bills uniform, get him in the HOF already! Hyperbole does not become you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 OH well, He's in a Bills uniform, get him in the HOF already! You're on a roll in this thread, it's a silly stance to make but I'll ask a followup: What would Gilmore need to do on the field to play better? Give me specifics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) Not one person in here said anything close to this Oh well, to each there own. I think hes ok, that is about it. Hopefully this year, he will change my mind. Lets talk about this topic after the game. I will be around and if he has a good game, the Bills have a good chance of winning. Edited September 19, 2015 by fredex22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 You're on a roll in this thread, it's a silly stance to make but I'll ask a followup: What would Gilmore need to do on the field to play better? Give me specifics. Actually......I would like to see more interceptions. It does not take away from the fact that Gilmore is a VERY good corner.....but if he could come up with a few picks that would probably get him in the pro bow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Oh well, to each there own. I think hes ok, that is about it. Hopefully this year, he will change my mind. So... you didn't watch the last quarter of the 14 season or the Colts game. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Oh well, to each there own. I think hes ok, that is about it. Hopefully this year, he will change my mind. Nah, post some of these avoided tackles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 OH well, He's in a Bills uniform, get him in the HOF already! well that escalated quickly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 well that escalated quickly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 well that escalated quickly... The First primetime game of Jeremy Shockey's career the announcer ( who I believe was Collins ) said this: " Im not ready to put him in the HOF just yet, but this kid is special " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 OH well, He's in a Bills uniform, get him in the HOF already! Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 The First primetime game of Jeremy Shockey's career the announcer ( who I believe was Collins ) said this: " Im not ready to put him in the HOF just yet, but this kid is special " And that's relevant to this discussion how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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