DC Tom Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Because their is a permissible range of variance for the PSI of the balls, and different teams may want to be at different spots with in the permissible range so as to match the balls they used in practice all week. People have dramatically over estimated the impact of how far out of range the patriots balls were. Ask youself this, would you rather face Tom Brady week 2, or would you rather the Bills have permissionould to inflate their balls to whatever pressure they would like. So if we're playing poker, and I'm dealing, and have been dealing seconds all night. I'm holding three queens to your two pair of nines and fours. I deal myself the fourth queen from the top of the deck, and deal you a three. You still have two pair, to my four queens...but I'm not cheating because my three queens still would have beat your two pair, so dealing seconds made no difference to the outcome of the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 too many threads and pages to search has anyone posted / read this ? A.J. Feeley says he witnessed Patriots use doctored footballs Feeley said on 97.5 The Fanatic that when he was playing for the Dolphins in 2004, he saw Patriots quarterback Tom Brady using old, broken-in balls at a time when NFL rules said that teams had to use new balls provided by the league. “Prior to Tommy* and Peyton Manning going to the league and saying, ‘Let us doctor our balls’ we used to all play with the same balls,” Feeley said. “Somehow this beat-up ball from the ball boy was getting thrown in on offense for New England, yet when we were on offense this orange brand new ball was getting thrown in.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 If anyone thinks this happened once r insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 The deflation happened because McNally stole the balls from the referees. He's not supposed to do that. Anderson went to the officials room to get the balls to bring them to the field and they were gone and he was pissed. At an away game that would be really hard to do because the home team is somewhat responsible for the balls. The away ball boy would be wandering around the officials locker room with no business being there. The home team can carry the balls to the field if they ask the officials and are granted permission or if the officials walk with them. The away team doesn't have that opportunity. From what I understood, the reason that he took the balls away was due to the extra people being around due to it being a conference final, and that normally there wouldn't have been anybody in the room. So what you are saying is that the balls are provided to the officials by both teams....the officials take them away....then they give them back(unsure how home team is somewhat responsible)? When they give them back, are they collected by their respective ballboys?....taken directly to the field?....taken back to their team rooms? I ask this as I don't know the answer, not to attack you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 too many threads and pages to search has anyone posted / read this ? A.J. Feeley says he witnessed Patriots use doctored footballs Feeley said on 97.5 The Fanatic that when he was playing for the Dolphins in 2004, he saw Patriots quarterback Tom Brady using old, broken-in balls at a time when NFL rules said that teams had to use new balls provided by the league. Prior to Tommy* and Peyton Manning going to the league and saying, Let us doctor our balls we used to all play with the same balls, Feeley said. Somehow this beat-up ball from the ball boy was getting thrown in on offense for New England, yet when we were on offense this orange brand new ball was getting thrown in. Seriously Tom, it only gets worse from here if you keep pushing it. *Now* the knives are going to start coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 From what I understood, the reason that he took the balls away was due to the extra people being around due to it being a conference final, and that normally there wouldn't have been anybody in the room. So what you are saying is that the balls are provided to the officials by both teams....the officials take them away....then they give them back(unsure how home team is somewhat responsible)? When they give them back, are they collected by their respective ballboys?....taken directly to the field?....taken back to their team rooms? I ask this as I don't know the answer, not to attack you. One of the reasons they determined that Brady cheated was because McNally gave three different answers to three different people when asked about what he did. He said he didn't use the bathroom in the locker room because there were so many people around (which is rather ridiculous). He's never supposed to take the balls without asking permission and getting it from the officials. He wasn't supposed to have them at all at the championship game. In fact, when Anderson came looking for them and couldn't find them and was told McNally took them, Anderson started swearing and his exact words were "He's not supposed to do that." The balls are provided to the officials by both teams hours before the game. The officials have them in the officials locker room then weigh them. Usually they bring the balls to the field and give them to each team just before pregame warm ups. The home team's ball boys can ask permission to bring the balls to the field. McNally sometimes did that and sometimes didn't at Gillette. This time he didn't ask he just took them and then entered a bathroom with both teams balls just before the field. This all comes from the Wells Report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Seriously Tom, it only gets worse from here if you keep pushing it. *Now* the knives are going to start coming out. you posted the wrong quote doh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 you posted the wrong quote doh No, that's what I intended. The more Brady has his agent and team owner scream and stamp their feet, the more coverage and the more this gets dragged into the open. I don't know if one interview on the Phanatic is proof, but if he really wants to keep at it I suspect things get ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 No, that's what I intended. The more Brady has his agent and team owner scream and stamp their feet, the more coverage and the more this gets dragged into the open. I don't know if one interview on the Phanatic is proof, but if he really wants to keep at it I suspect things get ugly. Has a player ever appealed and gotten a worse sentencing. I know that's not how appeals work but would be funny if it did happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Has a player ever appealed and gotten a worse sentencing. I know that's not how appeals work but would be funny if it did happen. Not so much the appealing as the claims that the Pats** seem to be interested in filing a lawsuit. As mentioned already, I'm pretty sure that of the NFL gets sued, this is now an actual legal case and evidence and witnesses can be subpoenad instead of being voluntary as in the Wells report. What *is* on that phone that Brady wants to hide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 So, someone like DC TOM or someone else on PPP help me out....can texts from a year ago be retrieved from the Verizon server or some walked NSA server? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 So, someone like DC TOM or someone else on PPP help me out....can texts from a year ago be retrieved from the Verizon server or some walked NSA server? 100%. But not without a court order. Oh who am I kidding... they don't use the courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) Not so much the appealing as the claims that the Pats** seem to be interested in filing a lawsuit. As mentioned already, I'm pretty sure that of the NFL gets sued, this is now an actual legal case and evidence and witnesses can be subpoenad instead of being voluntary as in the Wells report. What *is* on that phone that Brady wants to hide? I get that. I'm just curious if they found something even worse on his phone than just the text to the two ball boys if more punishments would be dealt. Like if BB was in on it as well, would they then also suspend him for 4 games. If they don't sue, I think that's probably the reason why. Brady could very well be incriminating multiple other people on the team and I doubt they would risk it. Edited May 13, 2015 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 100%. But not without a court order. Oh who am I kidding... they don't use the courts. Does that include voice conversation? I think Tommy boy was smart after the game to not use text and only voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Does that include voice conversation? I think Tommy boy was smart after the game to not use text and only voice. They 100% have voice records, though they're officially only allowed to keep them for 12 months if the call was made outside of the US. Whether or not you believe they stick to those guide lines is a different conversation. There are a ton of articles and links throughout the thread below if you're patient enough to sift through them. http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/177006-the-dangers-of-our-new-normal/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 They 100% have voice records, though they're officially only allowed to keep them for 12 months if the call was made outside of the US. Whether or not you believe they stick to those guide lines is a different conversation. There are a ton of articles and links throughout the thread below if you're patient enough to sift through them. http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/177006-the-dangers-of-our-new-normal/ I am not patient, I assume the chit in there is scary, I assume Mr. Yee knows this as well....no lawsuit from Pats or Brady coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I am not patient, I assume the chit in there is scary, I assume Mr. Yee knows this as well....no lawsuit from Pats or Brady coming You'd be correct on the scary part. And I don't blame you one bit for not having the patience in that thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I am not patient, I assume the chit in there is scary, I assume Mr. Yee knows this as well....no lawsuit from Pats or Brady coming there is no way that they are subpoenaing anybody for voice records from january over a labor discipline dispute here. of course, just my opinion. but just like you didnt see EVERYBODY involved in bountygate have full cavity searches in the lawsuit you wouldnt here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) there is no freaking way Tom* wants to take this to the courts where he will have to swear to tell the truth!!! Jail time on top of 4 games... he can visit his TE buddy down the read from the Putz stadium No, that's what I intended. The more Brady has his agent and team owner scream and stamp their feet, the more coverage and the more this gets dragged into the open.I don't know if one interview on the Phanatic is proof, but if he really wants to keep at it I suspect things get ugly. gotch. I thought the post was in reference to DC Toms comments not the Tom* I agree, the more they whine they are being duped / stung and the NFL is against them the worse it is. I will say it again if they continue add more game suspensions and fines. Edited May 13, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Jail time on top of 4 games... you never disappoint.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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