aristocrat Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 So last year we get sammy who was very good and preston brown who was also very good. Henderson up and down and this year I think we see cyrus step up. That would bring last year's draft to an a. Let's see how these guys develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Neither do you. Right. All we know is everyone under the sun but the homers here said they were a reach, and that they stunk. But I can't prove that the Packers or someone didn't secretly love them and wouldn't have jumped at the chance to take all of them in the same round. I guess. Good job on being the Facts Police and clearing that up. Please continue with the celebratory Jimmy Clausen failure parade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Right. All we know is everyone under the sun but the homers here said they were a reach, and that they stunk. But I can't prove that the Packers or someone didn't secretly love them and wouldn't have jumped at the chance to take all of them in the same round. I guess. Good job on being the Facts Police and clearing that up. Please continue with the celebratory Jimmy Clausen failure parade. the Packers acrually said today they had no plan to draft Hundley but he was bpa on their board at the time so they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I've never understood the argument that a player was taken a little too high. We had the #50 pick, wanted a player that probably would have been gone before our next pick. So, what are they supposed to do? Trade down... what if no one wants to trade up 10 spots? None of us are in the war room. We don't know what moves they may or may not have tried to make. You can also say, they could have taken this other player. But maybe their paid, professional scouts didn't think he was a fit for our team? I respect a lot of the opinions of a lot of people here, but none of us are paid by the Bills to evaluate and rank the players in terms of best fit for the schemes our coaches want to install. It seems they had their players ranked and took the guys they wanted, when they could get them. The notion that they could trade down a few spots and still get a guy is all reliant upon willing trade partners and none of us know what was pursued or not. Personally, I'm completely underwhelmed by our draft. But, I suspect it was a very good draft for us because Whaley seemed to get exactly who he wanted with each pick. In a couple years, we'll know if he was right. Interesting.... So back AWAY from the cliff 3 days after the draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 He also said we could have gotten Mike Evans staying at 9 last year. Ridiculous calling Darby a reach. There's a handful of blue chip guys in every class, then a large group that could go anywhere from 1st to the 3rd depending on team needs and teams boards. Darby is squarely in that group. Just because Kiper thinks he belongs in the 60s and he goes 50 doesn't make it a reach. Kiper hasn't had a reach-around in years so he's antsy to use that word. The Bills "won" Free Agency. They didn't have to "win" The Draft. We're looking at a pretty darn good team this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
negativo Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Kiper ripped the Bills last draft for the Watkins trade, saying they should have taken Beckham and kept the picks. Turned out he was right. This year, he sticks to the Watkins premise for the 2015 draft being a failure, too. Impossible to say whether he's right or wrong yet, but it's no surprise he doubled down. Of course, he's been wrong as often as he's been right in his predictions so hopefully for us this is one of those times. Let's face it, draft success is impossible to predict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllDayADay Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 "I gave the Bills a hard time in the draft grades last year because I thought they paid far too steep a price to move up for Sammy Watkins, given how many good WRs were in that draft. Watkins is going to be just fine, but Mike Evans and Odell Beckham, Jr. could have both been taken without moving up, and that move up now factors into the grade this year, when the Bills didn't have a first-rounder and simply couldn't add the same amount of talent as other teams. I thought Ronald Darby was a reach in Round 2 at No. 50. There's a lot of natural ability with him, but I didn't have CB as nearly the biggest need, and I don't think he was the best player available, either. I'm a lot higher on the third-round selection of John Miller, a physical force in the run game, which they need to succeed to take some pressure off whoever is taking the QB snaps. (There's some buzz that Tyrod Taylor could be really pushing for that role, by the way.) Karlos Williams provides some depth at running back, but I'm not sure how much they needed it, and I might have looked at one of a number of values to be had at linebacker in that range. That said, if Rex said he needed it on defense, my guess is they would have made the move. Nick O'Leary can stick because the competes like heck and can catch the ball. I also think Buffalo got one of the bigger steals in the draft in Dez Lewis, a big-bodied speedster out of Central Arkansas who doesn't look the least bit out of place from a physical and workout standpoint next to the first-round types. The Bills didn't need an amazing draft, thanks to good roster-building outside of QB. That's a good thing." -Kiper I think the last two sentences are the most important in the whole piece. Hes not totally off base with what he says, he just focuses too much on needs and measurables. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The draft is subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I'm fine with the Ronald Darby pick. DB depth is important especially considering a couple years back when we were thin at DB and got lit up by Geno Smith. Yes, GENO SMITH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qblax16 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Easy to say without a 1st round pick. Not ground-breaking analysis there. We got some depth, and as a fan I'm happy with the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billshank Redemption Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Just more of a general statement, I just don't understand how people could be saying that we "killed" this draft. Im not furious about it but from a bystanders standpoint we really didn't do all that well. I haven't found one place that thought it was particularly good and we took people with a lot of character concerns while ignoring some of our most important needs. I really don't think a C- is that unfair but then again with no 1st its tough to have an A grade draft as well. Hopefully some of these guys pan out after development and we can keep improving but no need to get pissed at Mel, he ranks his players and based where teams pick them he can praise or criticize. None of our players with the exception of Miller and maybe O'Leary are prove per say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan in MD Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 (edited) Straight from the Kype himself... http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/18654/mel-kiper-grades-bills-draft-as-nfls-worst Putting aside what any of us thinks about this draft class, does anyone else see this as basically part of one big scam? Kiper is paid by ESPN to come up with a highly subjective ranking of draft prospects -- which you can only really see in detail if you decide to pay for access to Insider -- and then "grades" teams based on whether or not they selected players using the same evaluations that HE provided. Thus, if you disagree with his preliminary analysis, you of course do poorly in his grading. And of course, that post-draft analysis also gets stuck behind the paywall. . . Edited May 4, 2015 by Bills Fan in MD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Why are so many vexed about Kiper's ratings? Who takes him seriously? Seems even the more expert analysts on ESPN disdain him. His next-day explanation remarks are the perfect example of his idiocy: he doesn't see CB as a need but is more than okay with a "big bodied" WR. Right there he is 180 degrees wrong; the secondary is thin in comparison to WR. And I think he completely misses the point of drafting Karlos Williams, which is for ST mainly, with the possibility of using him on D. Finally, the guy uses last year's draft to factor into this year's ranking. Now I could almost accept his strange logic if he would also factor in all the moves the Bills made in the off season because the real point isn't "to win the draft" but to win the Super Bowl, and by that goal, the Bills are in the best shape they've been in since the turn of the millenium. BTW, just because I think Kiper's reasoning (& knowledge of the Bills) is woefully inadequate does not mean I think the Bills had a good draft because I don't. While there was/is a big need at LB and in the Secondary, I am not over the moon about the guys they took, for many reasons, and I think there were better alternatives than Miller, and as much as I am a huge fan of O'Leary, given other needs, I don't believe it was the best use of the very few picks the Bills had to use it on that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I agree with Kiper and anyone else critical of the Bills' draft. The only pick that makes sense is the guard in the third round. The Bills constantly try to outsmart everyone, drafting for glamour (Watkins, Spiller) and reaching when they draft for need and then indulging in luxury picks (a running back this year, really?). The character issues in this draft are very disturbing as well. I can't see the two picks with serious character issues keeping it together over the long haul. If the Pegula era is about disregarding character by signing the likes of Incognite and drafting some of the players we did, I am concerned about a sleeze factor. One Buffalo may be a tank and a football team with a significant number of low character thugs. "I agree with everyone who hates our draft" waa waa waa EVERY ONE of those picks made sense in one way or another....and we only had 6 of them. - If you call Sammy a "glamour" pick then you should learn football New posters shouldnt even be able to post until they have a post count of at least 100 posts...... (Yes I see what I did there) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I bet Rodak just loved writing that article. I dont care what Kiper says. Never have. I actually laughed out loud when I turned on ESPN (TSN) and saw him. That hair.....LOL CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 5m5 minutes ago Due to loaded roster, #Bills '15 draft has bigger implications on future. In '16, Darby in spot to be CB2. Same for Karlos as RB2/Dez as WR3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 5m5 minutes ago Due to loaded roster, #Bills '15 draft has bigger implications on future. In '16, Darby in spot to be CB2. Same for Karlos as RB2/Dez as WR3 I would like to see one more quality OT....but other then that Rex has a full compliment of groceries to work with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Putting aside what any of us thinks about this draft class, does anyone else see this as basically part of one big scam? Kiper is paid by ESPN to come up with a highly subjective ranking of draft prospects -- which you can only really see in detail if you decide to pay for access to Insider -- and then "grades" teams based on whether or not they selected players using the same evaluations that HE provided. Thus, if you disagree with his preliminary analysis, you of course do poorly in his grading. And of course, that post-draft analysis also gets stuck behind the paywall. . . More or less yes, beyond a few good apples, I think ESPN has sacrificed much of their journalistic integrity in order to profit from click bait headlines and creating non stories to fuel their 24 hour news cycle. For example, they employ people like Mike Rodak to troll the Bills because they know they'll get more clicks by having a clearly biased anti Bills reporter writing stories which then get posted on internet message boards and passed around emails with people saying "Did you see what the idiot said now?". In Kiper's case, his value lies in his name brand. You have to remember, ESPN's target market isn't people who care enough about sports to post on internet message boards, they know they've already got us. They are looking for casual fans who know little beyond "I've heard of Mel Kiper" when it comes to draft analysis. I think most of what Kiper says and writes is his personal beliefs, it's just that he really doesn't know nearly as much about the game as his pay grade and reputation suggests. The people who understand this dismiss him, the casual fans don't know that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I would like to see one more quality OT....but other then that Rex has a full compliment of groceries to work with I have a feeling they aren't done making moves. There are teams making cuts now that they are bringing in rookies. There will be trades. It's hard not be excited though looking at where the roster is today (and coaching staff) vs where it was this time last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 He gave seattle a D the year they took bruce Irvin and russell Wilson and the Bills an A when they took Maybin. I know he studies these guys in college for a living, but his ability to project to their NFL success/ scheme fit /understanding of teams roster forecasting is questionable at best. A good number of the "experts" suffer in the same area... In all seriousness there are plenty of posters on this wall...yourself included Yolo...that have a FAR greater understanding of what is best for the Buffalo Bills Roster at this point in time...There's no way most of these experts can keep up with every team...There's simply not enough hours in the day...So they wing it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Kipper doesn't like Miller Lite either. Thats why I don't like him. I believe in Waley. We have to believe in something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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