mattsox Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 They are putting too much power in the hands of the kickers. Now we have a kick off specialist because we need touch backs. What's next? Using a 1st round pick on a franchise kicker? Football isn't about kickers. Let the games be settled by the real players on the field It's been done actually. The Raiders drafted Janikowski first overall years back. I agree with you. Too many kickers. I would actually get rid of kicking/punting all together. Make a TD worth 7 points. No field goals. You have to go for it on 4th down. If you don't convert, it gets turned over right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv shitz Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 The game is fine the way it is. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" More of Goodells NFL, that is ruining a great game! He needs to go, along with anyone that follows his way of thinking. The game is secondary, money is primary. Ask NASCAR how that worked out for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) MMQB addressed this today -- Extra Points: How the PAT Could Change by This Fall The 32 teams are near unanimous in believing the point after touchdown needs to change. Precisely how is another story. The details of a compromise that goes to vote in May http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/30/extra-points-pat-rule-change-nfl-draft/ Edited March 30, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 depending on the change I read some BS article where is said the longer PAT would be a disadvantage to Cleveland (don't ask) and for some reason I have a move back to the 35 stuck in my head. 35 = PAT = ~50 yard kick. This move ONLY gives indoor games an advantage (which helps both teams). One might think that performing longer kicks would be the disadvantage to indoor teams as they are less practiced in the elements. if any changed are made - narrower GP uprights and or make all PAT kicks from the 15 yard line not the 2. I find it ironic that so many people decry the influence of kickers yet support rule changes that would result in more games being decided by a missed PAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 No. Humans have this incessant need to relieve their boredom by messing with things that don't need to be messed with. This is how we end up with thousands of counterproductive laws on the books, how businesses waste billions of dollars making ill-advised mergers and acquisitions, and how stupid rules get put into sports. You know what else in football is boring? Punts. You see punts blocked about as often as you see a missed PAT. So how about a rule that only allows the punting team ten men on the field? Gee, sure would make it more 'exciting' but would be a pretty stupid !@#$ing idea. Just like all these proposed PAT changes. Agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) I'm not a fan for change just for the sake of change but if the kick is getting too boring for some I like this idea: Td = 6. 1 extra point awarded for crossing the endzone by pass or run from the 2 yard line ( just like a 2 point conversion now) and 1 point awarded for a defensive return. Option to go for 2 points instead of the 1 by kicking a 50 yard fg. kicking a 50 yard fg. will result in a poor completion % and be practically useless in the end. if you want to "speed" up the game then IMO that is not the answer. kicking a 50 yard fg will help in dome games and Mile High. I find it ironic that so many people decry the influence of kickers yet support rule changes that would result in more games being decided by a missed PAT. Missing a PAT can be crucial in a game, no doubt about it. move it back to the 15 to 20 yd line will add a bit of "excitement" into that play. To me the 50 would not help either team with great results and make the PAT less interesting. I was bring up some commentary where the sports writer (if you choose to accept that description) said teams would have a disadvantage. Barring the accuracy of the kicker themselves, I am having trouble grasping that concept as both teams are helped or hindered by dome or field conditions. it comes down the the actual kicker then yes it will make a difference. If you have two VG kickers, then moving the ball back will not change the odds in favor of either player (team). Edited March 30, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) Competition committee chairman Rich McKay will work with several head coaches over the next 30 days to devise a plan for improving the extra point, and the owners will vote on it at the next round of owners meetings in May in San Francisco. Are you in favor of changing the extra point? If so what change what you recommend? i would eliminate it. TD = 7 points. PAT is a nonsense play. And make the kickoff an actual play 80% of the time or get rid of the kickoff as well. Nonsense play 75+% of the time. The kicking game just gets guys killed and adds very very little to the game, both plays and the commercials they are wrapped in kill the rhythm of the game after a TD. My two cents. certain plays within the game have changed as the athletes have gotten better. fix it. Edited March 30, 2015 by 8and8Forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) It's interesting to me to see how many people regard any change as bad. Are people aware that 15 NFL teams haven't missed an XP this decade? It's a non-competitive play - the functional equivalent of an appendix. Denver and New England combined have gone 436 for 436 on XP attempts going back ten years. Baseball rightly lowered the mound after the 1968 season. College basketball put in a shot clock. Pro basketball got rid of the 3-to-make-2 foul shot rule. Christ, the NFL already dealt with this partially by introducing the 2 pt conversion a while back. I'm not sure why so many people are up in arms about the possible elimination of a useless play, and I certainly don't get equating the defense of it as a shot against our over-regulated society. I mean, getting rid of it in its current form strikes as basic common sense. To reiterate, it's a non-competitive play. Edited March 30, 2015 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) I voted to remove it. I would want the following: you score a TD, it's 7 points. end of story. No extra point. No extra play no nothing. TD = 7 points and kickoff to other team. A regular FG obviously still remains the typical 3 points. The XP is just a waste of time and what's the point of running 1 more play from the 1yd line to get one point when you've just gone maybe 80yds/10plays to have to score a TD? This way players can't complain that the NFL is putting them in danger by forcing them to run more plays in the game and the incentive to score a TD is maximized by giving it a full 7 points. So the FULL REWARD is given to the actual TD play/drive and not shared with some other lame play thereafter like a FG or another gadget play from the 1yd line in order to get the full 7 points. Just my dos centavos. i would eliminate it. TD = 7 points. PAT is a nonsense play. And make the kickoff an actual play 80% of the time or get rid of the kickoff as well. Nonsense play 75+% of the time. The kicking game just gets guys killed and adds very very little to the game, both plays and the commercials they are wrapped in kill the rhythm of the game after a TD. My two cents. certain plays within the game have changed as the athletes have gotten better. fix it. haha..I just saw this..yeah I'm with you 100% Edited March 30, 2015 by bobobonators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 If I had to change the rule it would be simple. A standard touchdown is worth 7 points without kicking any extra points or having to do anything else. A standard two point conversion is the new extra point. You can go for 2 by backing the ball up 10 yards. The rules would be designed to make games a little more competitive and still reward teams for scoring TD's as opposed to kicking field goals. TD's can be worth up to 9 points (7 point TD with a 12 yard 2 point conversion). That makes games closer as it takes 10 points to be a two possession lead, also 19 points for the game to be a three score game as opposed to 17. It makes extra points much less automatic and thus more exciting. Also the standard TD bumping up a point still rewards you much more for getting the TD and not the field goal since it's two field goals plus a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I don't get why the NFL can't leave well enough alone. The one proposal was to narrow the uprights. Thats great for the Zillionaires to tell the local govt to fix that but what about college's and high schools? I vote quit screwing with the game on this and everything else. Not like they are hurting for customers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I say no because I am a old school guy and I like the game the way it is. x2. Just leave it. If the XP is so "automatic," whats the difference between making a TD 7 points? I like the game the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_want_2_BILL_Lieve Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) No. Humans have this incessant need to relieve their boredom by messing with things that don't need to be messed with. This is how we end up with thousands of counterproductive laws on the books, how businesses waste billions of dollars making ill-advised mergers and acquisitions, and how stupid rules get put into sports. You know what else in football is boring? Punts. You see punts blocked about as often as you see a missed PAT. So how about a rule that only allows the punting team ten men on the field? Gee, sure would make it more 'exciting' but would be a pretty stupid !@#$ing idea. Just like all these proposed PAT changes. Looks like 24 blocked punts in 2014. Given the number of punts, I'd say that statically, a blocked punt is slightly more likely to happen than a missed extra point. However, the difference is that a punt is a scoring play for the receiving team. 13 punts were returned for TDs last year. Edited March 30, 2015 by I_want_2_BILL_Lieve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv shitz Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I don't get why the NFL can't leave well enough alone. The one proposal was to narrow the uprights. Thats great for the Zillionaires to tell the local govt to fix that but what about college's and high schools? I vote quit screwing with the game on this and everything else. Not like they are hurting for customers! I couldn't agree more, Mike. The idea of changing for the sake of change is ludicrous, in my opinion. They are going to go to far, and the game's popularity will drop. I hate to see this happen, football is the only sport I even care about anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) I like the idea of choosing 7 pts for a TD and no PAT kick and the option to run a play for another point but lose a point if you don't score. It just basically gets rid of the kick. I also don't understand why there even is any extra points. Isn't getting points for scoring a TD enough? The only other sport I can think of that gives the opportunity for more pts after scoring any points is the college basketball one-and-one where you have to make the 1st free throw to get the opportunity to make a 2nd one. So, I would also be fine if they just eliminated any attempts at points after scoring a TD. It's been done actually. The Raiders drafted Janikowski first overall years back. I agree with you. Too many kickers. I would actually get rid of kicking/punting all together. Make a TD worth 7 points. No field goals. You have to go for it on 4th down. If you don't convert, it gets turned over right there. Janikowski was not the 1st overall pick. He was the 17th pick in the 1st round of the 2000 draft. Edited March 31, 2015 by LittleJoeCartwright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Move it back to the 5 yard line 1 or 2 pts, do away with the holder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Pete Carroll tweeted that this was the Seahawks submission to the committee @PeteCarroll: Our idea for the extra point: -Automatic 7pts for a TD -Mandatory try from the 2 for 1pt -Defense can score 1pt by returning a fumble or INT I'd be fine with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Remember Fred take it up the gut for two points late in the Detroit game. That was way to exciting football. I didn't vote because I really don't know. I'd like to see teams need that extra point more often late in games. That game was better than an action, thriller, horror movie. I'd be fine with this.teams that don't get in the end zone like we often couldn't, would end up suffering blow outs. Could you imagine only scoring 3 for a field goal and 8 for a TD/w convertion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Yes b.c the game needs to keep changing for the better. teams that don't get in the end zone like we often couldn't, would end up suffering blow outs. Could you imagine only scoring 3 for a field goal and 8 for a TD/w convertion. Well don't let them score or convert the two points... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) Yes b.c the game needs to keep changing for the better. Well don't let them score or convert the two points... I knew someone would say that.... I guess I'm thinking for the entertainment/ competitiveness of it. I've always liked how the math of 1,2,3 or 6 points effects a game, if that makes any sense. It makes a safety worth less, a field goal worth less, and the extra point solid freaken gold. (note worth less, not worthless) I'm for change. Just make sue its for the better. Also: can you see a game ending with the kneeling of an extra point. Or games where one team is so far ahead the kneeling off could start early. Especially if its a team locked into the playoffs already. Why risk injury and giving up a point? Edited March 31, 2015 by JaxBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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