BmarvB Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I would disagree with that 100%. I'd take Glennon all day over Sanchez and his 1+ turnovers per touchdown. I'd probably take Hoyer too and even Derek Anderson. Sanchez is trash. I'd take Anderson over Sanchez in a heartbeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 Â Â I don't think you do. This Bills team keeps bringing in journeyman to "compete". Forget competition. Give EJ all the reps with the first team. He either succeeds or fails. Splitting time with some middling QB that's failed with other teams is just that. You're wasting 50% of your reps/practice on someone that's not going to be your starter. I have no desire to see Orton/Cousins/Sanchez/Glennan/Bradford/Anderson/Clausen/Flynn/Gabbert/Campbell/Hoyer/Vick/Clemens/"Insert name here". Maybe that's just me. Regardless of how you convince yourself, none of them are an improvement over what we had this year. that is what they did last year. It didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Kelso Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I don't think you do. This Bills team keeps bringing in journeyman to "compete". Forget competition. Give EJ all the reps with the first team. He either succeeds or fails. Splitting time with some middling QB that's failed with other teams is just that. You're wasting 50% of your reps/practice on someone that's not going to be your starter. I have no desire to see Orton/Cousins/Sanchez/Glennan/Bradford/Anderson/Clausen/Flynn/Gabbert/Campbell/Hoyer/Vick/Clemens/"Insert name here". Maybe that's just me. Regardless of how you convince yourself, none of them are an improvement over what we had this year. Isn't that what basically happened this year through the training camp and the first 4 games? That is not an indictment on EJ just an observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 glennon is not a vet  Depends on your definition of "vet". He's played 2 seasons. If your definition is more than 2 seasons, then yes. If not, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 How is it even possible for a person to write off EJ and think Sanchez is an option? this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) I don't think you do. This Bills team keeps bringing in journeyman to "compete". Forget competition. Give EJ all the reps with the first team. He either succeeds or fails. Splitting time with some middling QB that's failed with other teams is just that. You're wasting 50% of your reps/practice on someone that's not going to be your starter. I have no desire to see Orton/Cousins/Sanchez/Glennan/Bradford/Anderson/Clausen/Flynn/Gabbert/Campbell/Hoyer/Vick/Clemens/"Insert name here". Maybe that's just me. Regardless of how you convince yourself, none of them are an improvement over what we had this year. Â If Bradford had a guarantee of health he is far better than else anyone on that list. Edited December 29, 2014 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Sanchez is a good option. He didn't live up to the #5 pick in the draft but he's an experienced player who's made it to 2 championship games and actually looked good at times for the Jets where QBs never succeed. I also thought he played well with the Eagles this year aside from the INT against the Redskins that basically ended their playoff hopes. It was the Eagels' defense that costed them this year IMO. Sanchez is constantly knocked for one clumsy play (butt fumble). Key word being ONE clumsy play out of the many different plays he has run in his career. I would be satisfied with him for the time being (I'd take Foles too). He's knocked for throwing 80 INTs in his short career. Just like everyone saying the Bills D carried this team, so did the Jets D carry them to 2 Championship games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Isn't that what basically happened this year through the training camp and the first 4 games? That is not an indictment on EJ just an observation. Â No. He shared reps with the first team with the other QB's. Orton was brought in later. It's just NOT what they did. They played the "crutch" game at quarterback despite their lip service that "EJ was their guy". Pretty pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 Â this. I never wrote off EJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 He's knocked for throwing 80 INTs in his short career. Just like everyone saying the Bills D carried this team, so did the Jets D carry them to 2 Championship games  This. Let's cite the reality of his body of work. Rode the D to the playoffs, almost like Kyle Orton did this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014   No. He shared reps with the first team with the other QB's. Orton was brought in later. It's just NOT what they did. They played the "crutch" game at quarterback despite their lip service that "EJ was their guy". Pretty pathetic. no he didn't share reps until the end of camp. They had no choice with how it was going.   This. Let's cite the reality of his body of work. Rode the D to the playoffs, almost like Kyle Orton did this year. so why not do it again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 id take bradford over sanchez any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 Â Â Depends on your definition of "vet". He's played 2 seasons. If your definition is more than 2 seasons, then yes. If not, no. he has not played 2 years worth of games. Not a vet by any stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Need to do what Pete Carroll did at Seattle. Keep bringing in vets and drafting QB's until you find one. Sign or trade for a vet, and draft another one. Let Manuel compete with those 2 and hopefully cream rises to top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) id take bradford over sanchez any day. why? Curious to hear reasoning. Given the 9 mill/yr. and that he isn't available. Would need to trade. Edited December 29, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Sanchez is a marginal starter. My big issue with him is he isn't good enough to win you games but he is turnover prone. If you assume that our defense will be good again then we can't have turnover machine at QB. Turnovers when your offense can run up and down the field have less of an impact than when you are depending on your defense. Its the same reason why I don't want a guy like Cutler at QB either. Ideally I would make a trade for RGIII but I wouldn't give up the picks needed to make that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 so is andrew Luck and Eli Manning. Throw in a good defense and the ability to throw downfield and hit WRs for TDs in stride and it works out in the long run Sanchez is no Andrew luck or Eli Manning… Not even close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjjr Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Sanchez is a tough guy to even come back after that butt fumble business. He's not a good fit here though. Hoyer might be interesting because he's smart, mobile and has worked through a situation where a team is trying to develop a QB beside him. He also spent time in NE. Â Spiller is probably gone. In the 2nd or 3rd round, a guy like Duke Johnson might be available. He has the vision and hands that Spiller doesn't but has similar speed/agility. Â Hughes might get too expensive. Have to think the Bills will look to lock up Dareus and Gilmore long term this offseason. If Hughes doesn't come back, have to find someone who can fill that role at a lower cost long term. Maybe look at Adrian Clayborn, Kroy Biermann or Cliff Avril to go along with a young guy from the draft like Nate Orchard or Eli Harold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014  Sanchez is no Andrew luck or Eli Manning… Not even close didnt say he was.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I just think that if he wasnt able to succeed with Kelly then what hope does he have here with Hacket? Â CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 no he didn't share reps until the end of camp. They had no choice with how it was going. Â so why not do it again? Â Why not do it again? We couldn't do it with Orton and he's a better QB than Sanchez. The D can't play much better than they have the last 2 years. Are either of these true: A - You are Mark Sanchez B - You have wood for the guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coseybedaman Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 There is a TON of guys (this year more than ever) that are looking for starting jobs without ever being given a real chance. If we were ever going to get a young FA quarterback this would be the year. Id hate to start over with another rookie quarterback because this defense is just going to get older and older while we are trying to find a new guy every 2 years. Unfortunately, I dont think any QB has a chance to succeed until this offense is opened up a little bit. Way too predictable, and way too conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 I just think that if he wasnt able to succeed with Kelly then what hope does he have here with Hacket?  CBF he did fine IMO. The eagles were not a good enough team defensively to make the playoffs but I wouldn't say "he" couldn't succeed under Chip Kelly.  I think he's a realistic option who could make sense for this team at this time. I don't think he's an elite QB. Sorry, those aren't available.    Why not do it again? We couldn't do it with Orton and he's a better QB than Sanchez. The D can't play much better than they have the last 2 years. Are either of these true: A - You are Mark Sanchez B - You have wood for the guy intelligent post I don't agree Orton is better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 He's a FA - no need to trade  Cheaper to sign than Cutler or Bradford  Has shown he can make and win playoff games on this type of team. In this division.  He is young enough to not mail it in like Orton but experienced enough to give you a veteran presence  Draft a QB in 1st next year if Sanchez doesn't look like a long term answer  In FA- sign or tag Hughes Sign at least one premium Guard Sign Searcy  Draft- RB TE QB - 5th rd or lower if decent prospect there; to replace Tuel OL  Cut- Pears Lee Smith Anyone else who sucks  totally agree but keep Lee smith, guy can block and when thrown to can make some nice grabs like yesterdays 1st catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited)  With the right OC and game plans, the Jets went to consecutive AFC Championships with him under center. We don't have the right OC or O-line to succeed with Sanchez as the QB.  This. Sanchez is a turnover machine who will looks lost behind a bad o-line. The Jets had a pretty damn good o-line in those AFC championship seasons.    Why not do it again? We couldn't do it with Orton and he's a better QB than Sanchez. The D can't play much better than they have the last 2 years. Are either of these true: A - You are Mark Sanchez B - You have wood for the guy  At least Sanchez would have dove for the first down.  Sanchez is a good option. He didn't live up to the #5 pick in the draft but he's an experienced player who's made it to 2 championship games and actually looked good at times for the Jets where QBs never succeed. I also thought he played well with the Eagles this year aside from the INT against the Redskins that basically ended their playoff hopes. It was the Eagels' defense that costed them this year IMO. Sanchez is constantly knocked for one clumsy play (butt fumble). Key word being ONE clumsy play out of the many different plays he has run in his career. I would be satisfied with him for the time being (I'd take Foles too).  If we had an ok o-line....but we don't. His propensity to turn the ball over will make that defense look a lot worse. Edited December 29, 2014 by Bronc24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 Â Â This. Sanchez is a turnover machine who will looks lost behind a bad o-line. Â Â Â At least Sanchez would have dove for the first down. Â Â Â If we had an ok o-line....but we don't. His propensity to turn the ball over will make that defense look a lot worse. clearly it is predicated on having a good OL and running game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Nick Foles Jake Locker RG3 Mike Glennon Geno Smith Brian Hoyer Austin Davis Sam Bradford Jay Cutler  Foles - I could live with that Locker - no way Glennon - like the skills but not sure, possibility but is he an upgrade Smith/Hoyer/Bradford - hell no Austin - not enough experience Cutler - cap hit would destroy any hope at keep Hughes in Buffalo and that defense in tack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 You have to be kidding me. Did you watch any Eagles games the year? He is s big reason why they are not in the playoffs and will most likely not be back with them even though they also have unsettled QB situation even with Foles. Â Sanchez is a backup nothing more and I'm tired of backups I agree with you. Load all of the cap money into starters and just keep 23 players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Â Cutler - cap hit would destroy any hope at keep Hughes in Buffalo and that defense in tack. Â I agree that our defense is loaded with horses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Â Â I agree that our defense is loaded with horses. Â I see what you did there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Sanchez? Is this a real post LOL? While I definitely think he never was given a chance to succeed in NY I will also say it is definitely too late now. There is soooooo many better directions to go then Mark Sanchez. I would literally rather have any of these guys starting for the Bills in 2015 over Mark Sanchez. Not that all of these are superstar options, but to be fair we just need to get DECENT play out of the QB position to be an 11 win team with our current roster. Â (no particular order) Nick Foles Jake Locker RG3 Mike Glennon Geno Smith Brian Hoyer Austin Davis Sam Bradford Jay Cutler I'd actually pay to keep Cutler off the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 How is it even possible for a person to write off EJ and think Sanchez is an option? Â This is exactly my question. Sanchez? Sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 Â Â This is exactly my question. Sanchez? Sheesh. again, I never wrote off EJ. It's about replacing Orton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 One played in 2 AFC Championship games and the other has shown very little QB instincts. It's not really debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 again, I never wrote off EJ. It's about replacing Orton. Â I have never been the least impressed with Sanchez. I think Orton is a much better QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 Â Â I have never been the least impressed with Sanchez. I think Orton is a much better QB. orton is gone. He needs replaced. Whether he is better is irrelevant at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 orton is gone. He needs replaced. Whether he is better is irrelevant at this point. Â I'd take a half dozen other QBs before Sanchez. Foles, Hoyer, Glennon, Bradford. Maybe it's just because I saw Sanchez play a lot in the AFC East and I think he stinks. Clearly you see him differently. I will be very surprised and disappointed if the Bills seek him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I'd take a half dozen other QBs before Sanchez. Foles, Hoyer, Glennon, Bradford. Maybe it's just because I saw Sanchez play a lot in the AFC East and I think he stinks. Clearly you see him differently. I will be very surprised and disappointed if the Bills seek him out. I like what I've seen from Matt Moore. I actually like him better than Tannehil- he shows some fire and leadership in the huddle and made some plays when he had the chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Matt Flynn and Kirk cousins would be better options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I like what I've seen from Matt Moore. I actually like him better than Tannehil- he shows some fire and leadership in the huddle and made some plays when he had the chance I'm with you on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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