benderbender Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Fitz>Orton>everyone else we can get Fitz left you and he's been seeing at least two other teams behind your back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Kyle takes pretty good care of the ball, I gotta give him that, the four INTs in the last two games notwithstanding. But we need better play out of him. Period. He leaves too many plays on the field. Take away the two Jest games and he's pedestrian, at best. Any statistical analysis supports this (it's eye popping), but you don't need them when you watch the games and review the All 22. GO BILLS!!! LOL... As McEnroe would say "You can't be serious". He served up one of the worst pick-six throws of the entire NFL season against Detroit. The red-zone INT against Denver was a terrible read and a throw with no chance to be completed except to a Denver DB. Take away the Jets games and he is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 LOL... As McEnroe would say "You can't be serious". He served up one of the worst pick-six throws of the entire NFL season against Detroit. The red-zone INT against Denver was a terrible read and a throw with no chance to be completed except to a Denver DB. Take away the Jets games and he is awful. 2:1 TD/INT ratio and a low % of INTs overall. That's not a bad job of ball security. I never maintained he didn't have INTs. And I already made the point about the Jest stats skewing his overall. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 The story of Kyle Orton's career is he is a pretty good player, however, for some reason, nobody wants him. This trend has continued in Buffalo with Bills fans. I live in Indiana which is where Purdue University is (Orton's alma mater). My two brothers and sister-in-law went to school there when Orton was the quarterback. Because of this, I have followed his career more closely than most. Firstly, I want to dismiss the idea that I am biased toward Orton for this reason. I actually despise Purdue. I went to Indiana University out of high school and Purdue is our rival. Orton followed Drew Brees at Purdue and was a very good college QB. However, because he followed Brees he was underappreciated even at Purdue. Orton was drafted by the Bears in the early 4th round. He started 15 games as a rookie and won 10. Yes, I know, the Bears defense was great then. However, he was a rookie, came in and made good decisions as a game manager and did what was necessary to win games. They benched him 2 games before the playoffs began in favor of Rex Grossman who was coming off injury. The Bears lost their first game in the postseason with Grossman at the helm. Orton saw zero game action the next year placed on the third string behind Grossman and Griese. In his third year with the Bears, with three games left, he was given the starting role again finally. He went 2-1 in the final three games. In his 4th year with the Bears, he entered the season competing against Grossman for the starting role. He won the starting role. He went 8-7 as a starter, missing one game for injury. They missed the playoffs by one game. After this year, he was expecting to come back to the starting role he left in Chicago. He was traded to Denver for Cutler. In his first year with Denver (2009-2010), he went 8-8 with pretty good statistics. In his 2nd year, he started 13 games. Their record was not good, however his statistics were pretty good. He had an 87.5 passer rating for the year. The Broncos coach was fired midseaon and Tebowmania began when he had a poor game late in the season. The interim coach benched Orton in favor of Tebow for the final three games. In his third year, he started poorly and the chants for Tebow immediately reached a fever pitch. He went 1-4 as starter this year with a 75.4 rating. He ended up with 49 touchdowns, 28 interceptions and almost 5,000 yards in 2.5 season with the Broncos. He was cut by the Broncos. The Chiefs claimed him off waivers. Two other teams tried to claim him but the Chiefs had the worst record. With three games to go in the season, Orton was named the starter. In hist 1st game, he beat the then undefeated Packers in weak 15 of the NFL season. He went 2-1 as a starter for the Chiefs. The Chiefs didn't resign him. He has been backing up Tony Romo (a yearly pro bowler) in the previous two years. In the limited time he has had to come in for Romo he has performed. Dallas knew he had value and really wanted to keep him as backup to Romo. However, clearly he did not want to stay and back up Romo. He is now in Buffalo. He has a QB rating of 89.2 despite playing a disproportionate number of highly ranked defenses. He has over 2,300 yards and a 2-1 TD-Interception ration. Sadly, the story of Orton's career continues in Buffalo. Orton performs pretty well but is not wanted. Is he a tier one franchise QB? Of course not. However, I think Buffalo (like everywhere else) is not appreciating Orton for what he is. Orton can win in Buffalo. Don't run him out of town. When he slid short of 1st down on 4th and 1(and gave up) I would have benched him immediately and then cut him next day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Orton is the 27th ranked QB by total qbr. that's NOT good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) The play at QB is where this team is currently bottlenecked. It's the team's biggest limitation. All QBs regardless of scheme revert to the mean once one is established. After about 40 starts, you will tend to know what you have. It is almost impossible to wait that long in todays NFL if your QB struggles or is injured for any length of time. Whaley has his work cut out for him heading into the offseason. Edited December 14, 2014 by RealityCheck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfk Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Actually the universe is in synch.. Orton is the Buffalo QB because like Buffalo he is a mediocre commodity that plinks and padunks it's way through season after season...He IS Buffalo and Buffalo is HIM praise the lord and pass the chew! Wide Right and Butt slide to 4th down!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I frankly do not see a better option for this next year...... We REALLY need to get our OL fixed from OG to OG and get a legit TE for him to throw to You're right. With a legit OL he might only slide a foot short of the first down. I'd rather have Fitzy back at this point. From a distance I would have agreed with you over the course of Orton's career, but having seen him up close this season, there are simply too many flaws in his game to mask, and not enough desire to overcome it. If the running game were clicking better - and not habitually abandoned by the OC as it was last week - Orton *could have* proven a capable enough game manager. They're asking him to throw 40+ passes and that is lunacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Stares down receivers like a rookie QB and shows his true colors (YELLOW) when you need him most in big spots. Good backup to have around and nothing beyond that. Would love for him to shut me up with a big time performance today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Fitz had moxie. Swagger. Pride. He put it all on the line. If we had kept him here we would have won a game or maybe two more this year. Liked Fitz, but when the game was on the line, he'd turn it over one way or another. Is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Liked Fitz, but when the game was on the line, he'd turn it over one way or another. Is what it is. At the time it was the only chance we had. We didn't have WR's worth a darn. SJ13 and Chandler were good but not good enough. We couldn't keep going for home runs on the ground because our RB's could only do so much. Spiller was only good to run and Jackson had to be in there to block. We put too much on Fitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Orton is being appreciated exactly like he should be. He is not good enough. I could care less about the stats, you just have to watch the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Orton is being appreciated exactly like he should be. He is not good enough. I could care less about the stats, you just have to watch the games. You mean you couldn't care less...but point well taken. The guy sucks rocks. EJ is worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 You mean you couldn't care less...but point well taken. The guy sucks rocks. EJ is worse. Can we really say blanket statements like EJ is worse anymore? Orton has been terrible for a few weeks now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doro Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 We underestimated how much he sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 The story of Kyle Orton's career is he is a pretty good player, however, for some reason, nobody wants him. This trend has continued in Buffalo with Bills fans. I live in Indiana which is where Purdue University is (Orton's alma mater). My two brothers and sister-in-law went to school there when Orton was the quarterback. Because of this, I have followed his career more closely than most. Firstly, I want to dismiss the idea that I am biased toward Orton for this reason. I actually despise Purdue. I went to Indiana University out of high school and Purdue is our rival. Orton followed Drew Brees at Purdue and was a very good college QB. However, because he followed Brees he was underappreciated even at Purdue. Orton was drafted by the Bears in the early 4th round. He started 15 games as a rookie and won 10. Yes, I know, the Bears defense was great then. However, he was a rookie, came in and made good decisions as a game manager and did what was necessary to win games. They benched him 2 games before the playoffs began in favor of Rex Grossman who was coming off injury. The Bears lost their first game in the postseason with Grossman at the helm. Orton saw zero game action the next year placed on the third string behind Grossman and Griese. In his third year with the Bears, with three games left, he was given the starting role again finally. He went 2-1 in the final three games. In his 4th year with the Bears, he entered the season competing against Grossman for the starting role. He won the starting role. He went 8-7 as a starter, missing one game for injury. They missed the playoffs by one game. After this year, he was expecting to come back to the starting role he left in Chicago. He was traded to Denver for Cutler. In his first year with Denver (2009-2010), he went 8-8 with pretty good statistics. In his 2nd year, he started 13 games. Their record was not good, however his statistics were pretty good. He had an 87.5 passer rating for the year. The Broncos coach was fired midseaon and Tebowmania began when he had a poor game late in the season. The interim coach benched Orton in favor of Tebow for the final three games. In his third year, he started poorly and the chants for Tebow immediately reached a fever pitch. He went 1-4 as starter this year with a 75.4 rating. He ended up with 49 touchdowns, 28 interceptions and almost 5,000 yards in 2.5 season with the Broncos. He was cut by the Broncos. The Chiefs claimed him off waivers. Two other teams tried to claim him but the Chiefs had the worst record. With three games to go in the season, Orton was named the starter. In hist 1st game, he beat the then undefeated Packers in weak 15 of the NFL season. He went 2-1 as a starter for the Chiefs. The Chiefs didn't resign him. He has been backing up Tony Romo (a yearly pro bowler) in the previous two years. In the limited time he has had to come in for Romo he has performed. Dallas knew he had value and really wanted to keep him as backup to Romo. However, clearly he did not want to stay and back up Romo. He is now in Buffalo. He has a QB rating of 89.2 despite playing a disproportionate number of highly ranked defenses. He has over 2,300 yards and a 2-1 TD-Interception ration. Sadly, the story of Orton's career continues in Buffalo. Orton performs pretty well but is not wanted. Is he a tier one franchise QB? Of course not. However, I think Buffalo (like everywhere else) is not appreciating Orton for what he is. Orton can win in Buffalo. Don't run him out of town. I have never said this before.."Worst post ever". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Tebow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Orton is the 27th ranked QB by total qbr. that's NOT good enough. Orton still sucks. HORRIBLE dog poo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Orton still sucks. HORRIBLE dog poo better than ej just win baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Or not. quite a Bias up on the board. Not the answer. but no reason to disparage the Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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