TC in St. Louis Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 The reason the Chiefs jumped was the snap count. We earned the first down and they took it away, and the game fell apart. Granted, Bryce Brown's fumble and Chandler's inability to fall on the loose ball did not help. The fumbled punt was the final straw. But the game turned on that nonsensical call. Another bad one was the offensive interference call on Chandler. He barely touched the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I was perplexed as to how on earth that was even spotted. It was barely noticeable with the sideline camera zoomed right into the right leg of Henderson. Oh well, on to next week. There's still games to win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOBILLS78 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I don't understand. Henderson flinched. It was obvious in real time. No issue with that penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 I don't understand. Henderson flinched. It was obvious in real time. No issue with that penalty. He flinched a bit AFTER 4 guys jumped. They jumped on the snap call. If he flinched at all it took a zoom lens to spot it. The reason they were offside had absolutely nothing to do with him. They were looking at the ball and not Seantrel. Bad call. Changed the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Why didn't they just run the dam play. The ran well most of the day. Just quick snap it for a first down. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 The Brown fumble changed the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I don't understand. Henderson flinched. It was obvious in real time. No issue with that penalty. Here's your calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOBILLS78 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) He flinched a bit AFTER 4 guys jumped. They jumped on the snap call. If he flinched at all it took a zoom lens to spot it. The reason they were offside had absolutely nothing to do with him. They were looking at the ball and not Seantrel. Bad call. Changed the game. I must not understand false start penalties. And I mean that in all seriousness. EDIT: Now I got what you're saying, TC. From the rulebook: "No player of offensive team may charge or move abruptly, after assuming set position, in such manner as to lead defense to believe snap has started. No player of the defensive team within one yard of the line of scrimmage may make an abrupt movement in an attempt to cause the offense to false start." Edited November 9, 2014 by GOBILLS78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Who calls for that on 4th down with all the success teams have running a QB sneak? Don't let your 7th round rookie RT botch things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I don't understand. Henderson flinched. It was obvious in real time. No issue with that penalty. me either, the defender even pointed right at henderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOBILLS78 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 me either, the defender even pointed right at henderson. The issue appears to be the defensive flinch that came before Henderson's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Marrone should have the balls to go for it. 4th and inches and you're trying to draw an offsides? Weak! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 I just watched it like 8 times in a row. Henderson flinched, as did two guys on the left side....if you call moving a quarter of an inch or so flinching. The defender didn't point right at henderson, he pointed in the direction because he had to point at something. By the way, we won't know if he was going to run a sneak, because KC jumped offside before the play was executed. Based on Marrone's gutless history, we probably would have punted anyway had they not jumped offside. Which they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Marrone should have the balls to go for it. 4th and inches and you're trying to draw an offsides? Weak! That's what I thought. He should have sneaked it. Ran right up to the line and sneaked it. It's almost impossible to stop,six inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norton20 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Looked like his shoulders moved slightly to me. I thought it was the correct call. I never thought the Bills were serious about going for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I just watched it like 8 times in a row. Henderson flinched, as did two guys on the left side....if you call moving a quarter of an inch or so flinching. The defender didn't point right at henderson, he pointed in the direction because he had to point at something. By the way, we won't know if he was going to run a sneak, because KC jumped offside before the play was executed. Based on Marrone's gutless history, we probably would have punted anyway had they not jumped offside. Which they did. Thats what I thought. He actually flinched twice. But neither time did it draw the defense off. They jumped independently. Technically that is the right call. But it was so minuscule and it did not draw the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RK_BillsFan Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Pretty sure of all the plays you could single out, this might be the poorest choice. This is the one you choose? Neither of the fumbles that completely altered the entire game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 i know it was a minor flinch, i just dont blame refs on that play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optometric Insight Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I doubt that a sneak was even the call, they were just trying to draw them off-sides. If it was supposed to be a sneak, why not hurry up to the line and snap it before the defensive line can even get set? It was either a gutless play call or terrible execution. Pretty sure of all the plays you could single out, this might be the poorest choice. This is the one you choose? Neither of the fumbles that completely altered the entire game? This is one of the only plays that you can blame on the refs and not the players. This, and that Chandler "PI" call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) You know what would have prevented the flinch? If our scared head coach would have gone for it on 4th and a pube. Yet, he didn't. And the defense yet again held tight. Then we went for it on 4th and 10 minutes later. Edited November 9, 2014 by stevestojan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pondslider Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 You know what would have prevented the flinch? If our scared head coach would have gone for it on 4th and a pube. Yet, he didn't. And the defense yet again held tight. Then we went for it on 4th and 10 minutes later. Yup. Marrone coaches like he's constantly scared to lose instead of trying to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananathumb Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Guy has nuts the size of peas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Marrone should have the balls to go for it. 4th and inches and you're trying to draw an offsides? Weak! Thank you! We have been subjected to gutless, play not to lose coaching for more than 15 years. I don't think it will ever change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Looked like his shoulders moved slightly to me. I thought it was the correct call. I never thought the Bills were serious about going for it. I homestly think it was deliberate - i think the bills were trying to pull a fast one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I homestly think it was deliberate - i think the bills were trying to pull a fast one. His right leg moved twice. I don't see how that could be deliberate. Any movement whatsoever is a penalty. Which is what they called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I was perplexed as to how on earth that was even spotted. It was barely noticeable with the sideline camera zoomed right into the right leg of Henderson. Oh well, on to next week. There's still games to win! This. It was so subtle and on such an obvious down trying to draw the D offsides that I'm positive it was intentional by Henderson. If the refs wouldn't have seen it Henderson would have been called a genius. I'm shocked they saw his calf muscle twitch as slightly as it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 His right leg moved twice. I don't see how that could be deliberate. Any movement whatsoever is a penalty. Which is what they called. Kelly -- they were ALWAYS going to punt it. Why not try it? His leg only moved once, btw. When that didn't work, he tried the old left (inside) shoulder twitch. It really seemed calculated to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Kelly -- they were ALWAYS going to punt it. Why not try it? His leg only moved once, btw. When that didn't work, he tried the old left (inside) shoulder twitch. It really seemed calculated to me. Twice. Unquestionably. I do think they were always going to punt, too. Which was a mistake. They could have and should have just sneaked it. It's very hard to stop a six inch sneak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 It was definitely 2 twitches, but they were so slight that you wonder how a guy that big could cause such a small movement in his muscles. I'd be amazed if refs caught that more than 30% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 The whining is embarrassing. Henderson twitched and it was properly called. Brown and McKelvin, just don't fumble and you win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Without either the Brown fumble or the McKelvin fumble the Bills win that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiostyle Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Two drives into the RZ and only three points to show for it at the start of the second half are why we lost. No more, no less. All else where normal events that happen during the course of a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsherman12 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 A playoff contender should have been able to win this game regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I was perplexed as to how on earth that was even spotted. It was barely noticeable with the sideline camera zoomed right into the right leg of Henderson. Oh well, on to next week. There's still games to win! The easy answer to that is that it wasnt spotted. The refs totally blew the call. Once the Chiefs moved the guilty player immediately started pointing at the Bills line and sold the call. There's no way in hell that the refs were looking at the Bills Oline's legs. No way!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimp Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The easy answer to that is that it wasnt spotted. The refs totally blew the call. Once the Chiefs moved the guilty player immediately started pointing at the Bills line and sold the call. There's no way in hell that the refs were looking at the Bills Oline's legs. No way!! So, we're going with the everyone is against the Bills conspiracy theory tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 McKelvin's fumble changed the game. I felt like we were right in it until then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) You all think the refs didn't see that flinch???? This wasn't a standard 2nd and two run play. This was a play where every single person watching KNEW we weren't going to snap the ball. The officials were indeed staring at the linemen looking for just such a thing as it was the only way we were getting a first down. If they had called offsides, it would have been the wrong call. It was minor, but there's no scale for false starts. In that situation, the refs were actually very astute. Edited November 10, 2014 by stevestojan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 McKelvin's fumble changed the game. I felt like we were right in it until then. The fumble certainly swung the momentum in KC's favor and took some wind out of our sails. Yet we had 3 timeouts left with 2:37 at the KC 15. It's in excusable to not try and milk the clock and get a 1st down and then go for the TD. Those 4 passes toward the endzone hurt just as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 So, we're going with the everyone is against the Bills conspiracy theory tonight? No we are going with the Refs are too incompetent to see the flinch and are easily swayed by a KC player pointing at their line and by the way the Chiefs are just too well coached to have actually made that error so it had to be the Bills theory. I know .. run on sentence... grammar deduction mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The thing that sucked the most about that play was that I thought it was obvious the Bills were just trying to draw KC offsides. I assumed they were trying to draw them offsides and planning on taking a delay of game penalty if they couldn't get them to move. Then they would punt. And it worked........It appeared to work perfectly.....right up until the ref said it was a false start instead of encroachment..... The Bills actually executed that play as it was designed in my opinion.....and the refs took it away...and gave it to the other team.....inexcusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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