Bocephuz Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Watching in real time it appeared that Urbik did well in pass protect.. but to make sure I went back and watched NFL Rewind and isolated the passing plays and focused on Urbik. ( analyzing the run blocking is much more difficult than analyzing pass protect so I figured I'd go with the low hanging fruit) DISCLAIMER - I'm not a coach, I don't know the play call, this is just a simple eye test review TOTAL PASS PLAYS - 17 snaps HELD HIS OWN/ APPEARED TO DO HIS JOB - 15 snaps LOST BATTLE/ GAVE UP PRESSURE - 2 snaps PLAYS OF NOTE - Urbik was beaten twice. First time he was beaten off the snap/power move.. gave up pressure on Orton - Second time he was beat on a spin move.. gave up a pressure - Q1 - Urbik and Glenn PICKED UP A STUNT!!! perfectly - None of the sacks were on Urbik CONCLUSION - Urbik looked very solid in pass protect. No sacks given up, only 2 pressures and a solid job picking up on stunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Nice to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I'm no expert on grading linemen, but isn't allowing pressure on 12% of pass plays a bad thing? If all five OL gave up pressure 12% of the time (assuming no overlap for the sake of argument), Orton would have guys on him 60% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I'm no expert on grading linemen, but isn't allowing pressure on 12% of pass plays a bad thing? Not against that defense...IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocephuz Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share Posted October 27, 2014 Not against that defense...IMHO. He was up against Sheldon Richardson most of the day and did not give up a sack...and only gave up one pressure to Richardson. He was more than adequate.. not dominate.. but solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Lets keep in mind the players on the other side of the ball....sounds like Urbik did fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 He was up against Sheldon Richardson most of the day and did not give up a sack...and only gave up one pressure to Richardson. He was more than adequate.. not dominate.. but solid. Yes, this was my point above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billshank Redemption Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 all I know was we all were able to notice how bad pears and richardson were. Urbik got the job done yesterday and if we can get protection like that all season (Orton had a ton of time to throw on numerous occasions) and improve on the run blocking to at least put up respectable numbers we will be in good shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 CONCLUSION - Urbik looked very solid in pass protect. No sacks given up, only 2 pressures and a solid job picking up on stunts. I know it doesn't sound like much and maybe it isn't. But if every offensive lineman gives up 2 pressures per game, how many times does your QB get to throw the ball while not under pressure? And how many sacks do you end up with? And how many interceptions does your QB end up throwing then? I think a measure of a good game is when a lineman gives up no pressure and also does well in the passing game. By Bills standards comparatively though, maybe 2 pressures is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Two pressures up against Sheldon Richardson? I'd say that's pretty damn good. This is really an indictment of Marrone. Urbik should have been starting from game one - ahead of Chris Williams, Richardson and Pears. Now we need to get Pears out of the lineup. We got the bye week so it's our last chance to put together a decent O-Line. Cordy Glenn is our long term answer at LT, but he's also our best OL. Can you convince him to play LG for the remainder of the season for the good of the team? Can he? I'd give him an extension with LT money if it eases his pain. I'd move Henderson to LT where he looked very comfortable in preseason. So left to right it would be Henderson, Glenn, Wood, Urbik and Hairston. I still can't get over how decent Hairston looked as a rookie. He looked better than Pears ever did at RT, certainly as good as Henderson looked at RT. If you don't want to move Glenn, can CK play guard at this point? Left to right Glenn, CK, Wood, Urbik and either Henderson or Hariston (not thrilled about two rookies in the O-Line). It was obvious Richardson had to be moved out of the starting lineup. I think it's equally obvious with Pears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I'm no expert on grading linemen, but isn't allowing pressure on 12% of pass plays a bad thing? If all five OL gave up pressure 12% of the time (assuming no overlap for the sake of argument), Orton would have guys on him 60% of the time. Sample size too small to draw any conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMora Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I'm no expert on grading linemen, but isn't allowing pressure on 12% of pass plays a bad thing? If all five OL gave up pressure 12% of the time (assuming no overlap for the sake of argument), Orton would have guys on him 60% of the time. That is, of course, assuming that they take turns giving up pressure and never does it happen for two or more players at the same time. Completely unrealistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinES3 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 At any rate, the eye test certainly said a marked improvement over Richardson in pass protection IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Thought the line played well, all things considered. Sprinkle in some non-idiotic playcalling and the Bills could have scored 40 pts in the first half alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Watching in real time it appeared that Urbik did well in pass protect.. but to make sure I went back and watched NFL Rewind and isolated the passing plays and focused on Urbik. ( analyzing the run blocking is much more difficult than analyzing pass protect so I figured I'd go with the low hanging fruit) DISCLAIMER - I'm not a coach, I don't know the play call, this is just a simple eye test review TOTAL PASS PLAYS - 17 snaps HELD HIS OWN/ APPEARED TO DO HIS JOB - 15 snaps LOST BATTLE/ GAVE UP PRESSURE - 2 snaps PLAYS OF NOTE - Urbik was beaten twice. First time he was beaten off the snap/power move.. gave up pressure on Orton - Second time he was beat on a spin move.. gave up a pressure - Q1 - Urbik and Glenn PICKED UP A STUNT!!! perfectly - None of the sacks were on Urbik CONCLUSION - Urbik looked very solid in pass protect. No sacks given up, only 2 pressures and a solid job picking up on stunts. There were 21 pass play snaps (don't forget the four sacks!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Looks like Hackett learned from his Houston game mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) Two pressures up against Sheldon Richardson? I'd say that's pretty damn good. This is really an indictment of Marrone. Urbik should have been starting from game one - ahead of Chris Williams, Richardson and Pears. Now we need to get Pears out of the lineup. We got the bye week so it's our last chance to put together a decent O-Line. Cordy Glenn is our long term answer at LT, but he's also our best OL. Can you convince him to play LG for the remainder of the season for the good of the team? Can he? I'd give him an extension with LT money if it eases his pain. I'd move Henderson to LT where he looked very comfortable in preseason. So left to right it would be Henderson, Glenn, Wood, Urbik and Hairston. I still can't get over how decent Hairston looked as a rookie. He looked better than Pears ever did at RT, certainly as good as Henderson looked at RT. If you don't want to move Glenn, can CK play guard at this point? Left to right Glenn, CK, Wood, Urbik and either Henderson or Hariston (not thrilled about two rookies in the O-Line). It was obvious Richardson had to be moved out of the starting lineup. I think it's equally obvious with Pears. The hard part about it is making a college coach & a mediocre (by all standards) one time NFL player see a NFL coaching decision that needs to be made for the betterment of the team . Seeing as he was the mediocre player i don't expect him to see above average talent at his position to make a NFL coaching decision , thats why it took so long to put Urbik back in the line up where a year ago he got a extension because of his steady play at the position . Edited October 27, 2014 by T master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Watching in real time it appeared that Urbik did well in pass protect.. but to make sure I went back and watched NFL Rewind and isolated the passing plays and focused on Urbik. ( analyzing the run blocking is much more difficult than analyzing pass protect so I figured I'd go with the low hanging fruit) DISCLAIMER - I'm not a coach, I don't know the play call, this is just a simple eye test review TOTAL PASS PLAYS - 17 snaps HELD HIS OWN/ APPEARED TO DO HIS JOB - 15 snaps LOST BATTLE/ GAVE UP PRESSURE - 2 snaps PLAYS OF NOTE - Urbik was beaten twice. First time he was beaten off the snap/power move.. gave up pressure on Orton - Second time he was beat on a spin move.. gave up a pressure - Q1 - Urbik and Glenn PICKED UP A STUNT!!! perfectly - None of the sacks were on Urbik CONCLUSION - Urbik looked very solid in pass protect. No sacks given up, only 2 pressures and a solid job picking up on stunts. Thanks much, I think it confirms what we suspected and what we saw. However, I do have one issue: You based it on 17 pass plays, well, Orton was sacked four times, and scrambled at least one time for positive yards. Those are pass plays by design, and also pass plays that weren't executed. "Obviously" something broke down on those plays, they should be included in the analysis as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 DISCLAIMER - I'm not a coach, I don't know the play call, this is just a simple eye test review ..and that's usually enough, unless it's your job, or you're interested enough to find the devil in the details - so thanks for your input. by the way, i think what's gotten lost is the jobs our backs did when asked to pass protect.. not sure what they'll grade out to, but considering neither has started before yesterday - and we we're faced with many obvious passing downs - i'm thinking Freddie contributed to their preparation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I'm no expert on grading linemen, but isn't allowing pressure on 12% of pass plays a bad thing? If all five OL gave up pressure 12% of the time (assuming no overlap for the sake of argument), Orton would have guys on him 60% of the time. I'd suggest that at this point, there's too small of a sample size to grade his total body of work for the year. With that said, this is the odd moment where we are actually living in the comparative, and a 12% pressure rate from the LG spot is far better than we had been seeing, regardless of whether that's actually a good score, or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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