FireChan Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 yea but if you call him the shorter, faster, stronger version... its practically identical! Just like I'm the heavier, fatter, and less symmetrical version of Chris Pine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 yea but if you call him the shorter, faster, stronger version... its practically identical! LOL -- hence the "2.0" I think we all agree Nelson was a receiver everyone would like to have because of his smarts, route-running, and hands, but he just lacked some of the athleticism needed to truly excel. Hogan seems to be putting the whole package together -- although we need to see it consistently going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Does anyone else feel like Russell Wilson is a carbon copy of Drew Bledsoe except for being shorter, stockier, faster, darker, and with a different style of passing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Does anyone else feel like Russell Wilson is a carbon copy of Drew Bledsoe except for being shorter, stockier, faster, darker, and with a different style of passing? Bledsoe wasn't white enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Does anyone else feel like Russell Wilson is a carbon copy of Drew Bledsoe except for being shorter, stockier, faster, darker, and with a different style of passing? i thought that once or twice but when i watch the tape i just cant seem to get past something different.... i cant put my finger on it.... but he just doesnt quite look like him. the height, weight, speed, and style points ill give you though. very similar players on those fronts once you make the adjustments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Does anyone else feel like Russell Wilson is a carbon copy of Drew Bledsoe except for being shorter, stockier, faster, darker, and with a different style of passing? I also think there's a comparison to Dareus in there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I also think there's a comparison to Dareus in there somewhere. I think you're stretching there. Dareus is more like a tall, black, 320 lb. Brian Morman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Hes always open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 i thought that once or twice but when i watch the tape i just cant seem to get past something different.... i cant put my finger on it.... but he just doesnt quite look like him. the height, weight, speed, and style points ill give you though. very similar players on those fronts once you make the adjustments. I think too many people are too quick to make the Russell Wilson to Drew Bledsoe comparison only because they wore the same number and their teams jerseys look so similar. Otherwise that idea wouldn't pop into your head so fast. It's a distortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I like guys who make plays. Hogan has been doing that. Yes, deep and insightful analysis. As for the Wilson/Bledsoe comparison, I think the point is they are almost identical, just like my house and the airport are both buildings sitting on land. You just have to make the right adjustments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 i thought that once or twice but when i watch the tape i just cant seem to get past something different.... i cant put my finger on it.... but he just doesnt quite look like him. the height, weight, speed, and style points ill give you though. very similar players on those fronts once you make the adjustments. It's the uniform. It's a different color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The scumbag Patriots stole Welker, literally, from the Dolphins, similar to the way the Colts stole Wil Wolfford from us. They were going to sign him to a contract that gave him an extra few million dollars if he played more than three games in the state of Florida (or something to that affect). The Dolphins would have had to match the deal he would sign with New England, which obviously the Patriots would not have to pay but the Dolphins would. The Dolphins, instead of losing him outright to the blatant scumbag cheaters, decided to trade him for a low round draft pick instead. That Robert Kraft had some good lawyers if that's really how they pulled it off. I assume the NFL has closed that loophole? At least we know that Pegula must have some damn good frackin' lawyers if he's worth $4.7 billion ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 That Robert Kraft had some good lawyers if that's really how they pulled it off. I assume the NFL has closed that loophole? At least we know that Pegula must have some damn good frackin' lawyers if he's worth $4.7 billion ... Doesn't really take good lawyers, just takes not caring if you cheat. The Colts did it to the Bills when they signed Wolford to a FA contract. I won't go back and look up the exact particulars but basically, the Bills had a bunch of stars with large contracts in the SB years. The Colts had few, and gave Wolford a bunch of money that made him the highest paid lineman in the league, but in his contract it stated that he had to be highest paid offensive player. The Bills had Kelly, Thurman and Reed making more so they couldn't match the deal. The Vikings did it a few years ago with Steve Hutchinson and some stipulation of stadiums he could play in. I think in the latest CBA the players agreed to not let "the poison pill" be used in contracts again but I'm not sure if it's an official rule or anything. There may have been more times it was used but I can only think of those three (Wolford, Welker and Hutchinson, although the Seahawks tried some shenanigans with the Vikings Nate Burleson after the Hutchinson thing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Doesn't really take good lawyers, just takes not caring if you cheat. The Colts did it to the Bills when they signed Wolford to a FA contract. I won't go back and look up the exact particulars but basically, the Bills had a bunch of stars with large contracts in the SB years. The Colts had few, and gave Wolford a bunch of money that made him the highest paid lineman in the league, but in his contract it stated that he had to be highest paid offensive player. The Bills had Kelly, Thurman and Reed making more so they couldn't match the deal. Interesting -- thanks for the details, I didn't know about those shenanigans. But I don't call this "cheating." Not cheating like surreptitiously videotaping another team's closed practice. This is being clever, maybe breaking a kind of gentlemen's agreement (which makes you an unpopular guy at the annual meeting), but when the CBA/salary cap, etc. leaves a loophole, fair game to exploit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Interesting -- thanks for the details, I didn't know about those shenanigans. But I don't call this "cheating." Not cheating like surreptitiously videotaping another team's closed practice. This is being clever, maybe breaking a kind of gentlemen's agreement (which makes you an unpopular guy at the annual meeting), but when the CBA/salary cap, etc. leaves a loophole, fair game to exploit it. If it's not cheating, then why would only three teams dare do it only three total times over 25 years when every year there is 20+ chances to do it? The Bills did something slightly sleazy, more of breaking an unwritten gentlemen's agreement, to acquire Steve Tasker from the Oilers. That was during something called Plan B free agency and teams used to slip injured players through waivers, knowing most teams would not put in claims for them. The Bills considered Tasker too good to pass up so they claimed him. But I don't put that on the poison pill scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Because there probably was a kind of gentlemen's agreement not to do it after the first time someone (Kraft?) pulled it. I'm sure the player's union never contemplated that teams would put the franchise tag on a guy like Jairus Byrd -- it was supposed to be to allow a team to keep it's Elway or Montana or Marino, not some pretty-good-but-hardly-legendary safety. The first team that did that probably stunned the player's union, but the other owners immediately thought, "hey, great idea, it screws the players, not us -- I'm in too." This is what happens in business. The owners are all billionaires, they can afford the lawyers who draft agreements that seal off this kind of gamesmanship. I'm not saying it's honorable, but it's not cheating. Edited October 24, 2014 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 It's the uniform. It's a different color. must be it - like i said, just change the height, weight, speed, and throwing motion and i agree they are pretty much the same player. except for the jersey color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Because there probably was a kind of gentlemen's agreement not to do it after the first time someone (Kraft?) pulled it. I'm sure the player's union never contemplated that teams would put the franchise tag on a guy like Jairus Byrd -- it was supposed to be to allow a team to keep it's Elway or Montana or Marino, not some pretty-good-but-hardly-legendary safety. This is what happens in business. The owners are all billionaires, they can afford the lawyers who draft agreements that seal off this kind of gamesmanship. I'm not saying it's honorable, but it's not cheating. Like I said, the Colts did it in 1993 or so. Everyone in the league knew about it, it wasn't a secret. The Bills threw a fit and the league debated it and let it stand. But no one else did it until the Patriots did it 14 years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 If it's not cheating, then why would only three teams dare do it only three total times over 25 years when every year there is 20+ chances to do it? The Bills did something slightly sleazy, more of breaking an unwritten gentlemen's agreement, to acquire Steve Tasker from the Oilers. That was during something called Plan B free agency and teams used to slip injured players through waivers, knowing most teams would not put in claims for them. The Bills considered Tasker too good to pass up so they claimed him. But I don't put that on the poison pill scale. Heck, the Bills were just repeating the move they made to pluck Jack Kemp from the Chargers waiver wire in 1962.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 If it's not cheating, then why would only three teams dare do it only three total times over 25 years when every year there is 20+ chances to do it? The Bills did something slightly sleazy, more of breaking an unwritten gentlemen's agreement, to acquire Steve Tasker from the Oilers. That was during something called Plan B free agency and teams used to slip injured players through waivers, knowing most teams would not put in claims for them. The Bills considered Tasker too good to pass up so they claimed him. But I don't put that on the poison pill scale. It's not cheating. But a douchy move to your fellow club members. I'm guessing that despite public pronouncements, there's very little respect towards Kraft. Like I said, the Colts did it in 1993 or so. Everyone in the league knew about it, it wasn't a secret. The Bills threw a fit and the league debated it and let it stand. But no one else did it until the Patriots did it 14 years later. IIRC, the NFL did change the rules after the Wolford deal. Then Seahawks & Vikings came up with a twist that got around those rules, and NFL clamped down again. There's a reason it's only been done 4 times. It's a slimy maneuver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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