JohninMinn. Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 He has been completely misused by Hackett. CJ needs the ball in space where he can use moves and breakaway speed. It's that simple. The Freddy worship is over the top. Fred is not a threat to score from anywhere on the field. Both backs have unique gifts and if we had an offensive cooridinator he would exploit them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Spiller threads taking over EJ thread dominance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 He has been completely misused by Hackett. CJ needs the ball in space where he can use moves and breakaway speed. It's that simple. The Freddy worship is over the top. Fred is not a threat to score from anywhere on the field. Both backs have unique gifts and if we had an offensive cooridinator he would exploit them. Spiller non trade talk is Absurd. He is a part time weapon, he is nothing more than Percy Harvin. If I were HC or OC he would do kickoff returns and be a WR on special plays for him and 3rd downs or multiple WR formations, NOT our starting RB. Trade him and get something for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Yeah. Thanks. He's been so amazing his entire career. Let's sign him to a $100m contract now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I like Spiller i hope they keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Spiller non trade talk is Absurd. He is a part time weapon, he is nothing more than Percy Harvin. If I were HC or OC he would do kickoff returns and be a WR on special plays for him and 3rd downs or multiple WR formations, NOT our starting RB. Trade him and get something for him. Oh dear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 They sat EJ for not performing well, they should do the same to CJ and give Bryce Brown a chance. How come Fred can get positive yardage despite Hackett but CJ can't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 3.5 YPC. What a weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 They sat EJ for not performing well, they should do the same to CJ and give Bryce Brown a chance. How come Fred can get positive yardage despite Hackett but CJ can't? this x1,000,000,000,000,000... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I'm a pretty well-documented Spiller supporter. I think I've found a way to express what I believe would be an acceptable end-game as it relates to Spiller's continued tenure in Buffalo. What is Spiller? The Good Spiller is a playmaker. He has good hands. He is fast. He is low-maintenance. He keeps his nose clean and works hard. He's averaged over 1,000 yards over the past two seasons. He's always a threat to bust out a 40+ yard run. He has been #2 in the NFL for running plays over 20 yards for the past two seasons. The Bad Spiller lacks stamina. He can't block. He can't make his own holes. He is ineffective in the red zone. Most of his carries are less than 4 yards. The Stuff Outside of His Control Hackett is not using him like a Sproles-type player. Hackett continues to run him up the gut. He's not targeted on enough pass plays. The Solution He should not be paid the same money as a primary running back. He should be a situational weapon and a special teams weapon (like Hester, as someone stated earlier). Offer him a contract that will pay him as such. NOT as a featured RB. If he walks, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 They sat EJ for not performing well, they should do the same to CJ and give Bryce Brown a chance. How come Fred can get positive yardage despite Hackett but CJ can't? Do you have a link for this statement?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I'm a pretty well-documented Spiller supporter. I think I've found a way to express what I believe would be an acceptable end-game as it relates to Spiller's continued tenure in Buffalo. What is Spiller? The Good Spiller is a playmaker. He has good hands. He is fast. He is low-maintenance. He keeps his nose clean and works hard. He's averaged over 1,000 yards over the past two seasons. He's always a threat to bust out a 40+ yard run. He has been #2 in the NFL for running plays over 20 yards for the past two seasons. The Bad Spiller lacks stamina. He can't block. He can't make his own holes. He is ineffective in the red zone. Most of his carries are less than 4 yards. The Stuff Outside of His Control Hackett is not using him like a Sproles-type player. Hackett continues to run him up the gut. He's not targeted on enough pass plays. The Solution He should not be paid the same money as a primary running back. He should be a situational weapon and a special teams weapon (like Hester, as someone stated earlier). Offer him a contract that will pay him as such. NOT as a featured RB. If he walks, so be it. You hit the nail on the head sir, bravo. Whatever we get out of a trade for him will be minimal, being a age 27 soon to be age 28 running back with a spotty track record. I'd be more comfortable attempting to work out a reasonable contract (4 years 12-16-18 M) and acceptable signing bonus for both sides. Premier NFL running backs have had their values diminished greatly the past 2-3 years, and a running back like CJ Spiller (can we all agree at least average?) will not command as much money as them on the open market. However, as we all know, it takes two to tango, and Spiller may be inclined to find a team that would leverage his skill set better than the buffoons in the Buffalo the last 5 years. Even with that being said, I still agree with Gugny, let this one play out and if he walks, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 trade him while he's worth something! as the OP said, he's being misused so what good is he to us unless we get a new OC? trade him for a 2nd round pick to a team that needs a RB! SD perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 They sat EJ for not performing well, they should do the same to CJ and give Bryce Brown a chance. How come Fred can get positive yardage despite Hackett but CJ can't? True. But you've got a Corvette and a SUV. One can go off-road, one can't. One is meant to go through puddles and run into objects, the other isn't. I get frustrated when he looks to bounce things outside, but the truth is, he doesn't do it that often anymore. Our run block has been horrible this year, Freddy's just able to make a bit more something out of nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Thurman's thoughts on Spiller and Hackett: http://www.buffalobills.com/video/audio/Thurman-Thomas-Im-so-pumped-about-it/f13eccdc-661d-46c6-8e6f-01c2f2b7e1d1 It's pretty funny how flabbergasted he sounds at how CJ is being used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I've always liked Spiller. But all this "they're not using him right" crap is getting old. If he was as great as people want to make him out to be, he'd find a way to make plays. You don't hear people complaining that guys like Forte, Lynch, Foster, Le'vian Bell, Murray, Gore, Freddie, Lacy, or McCoy "aren't being used right." They're getting their yards one way or another because they're good RBs. Some are elusive, some plow right through people, but they all find ways to be more productive than CJ Spiller. So CJ shows some elusiveness sometimes when he's got a lot of space. So what? How often is there a lot of space between someone with the ball and at least one defender in the NFL? He can't break tackles, he's bad at bouncing away from contact, and he's bad at hitting holes. It's almost like it takes a split-up from a defense for CJ to make a big play. Unless he can vastly improve how he's playing now I'd be fine with the Bills trading him for something we need more, like a good guard, a high draft pick, or an upgrade at TE. I would feel no less confident in our run game if it was Jackson, Dixon and Brown. And to be honest I'd rather see Dixon and Brown get more opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) trade him while he's worth something! as the OP said, he's being misused so what good is he to us unless we get a new OC? trade him for a 2nd round pick to a team that needs a RB! SD perhaps? Would a 2nd round pick be the absolute lowest you would accept for him? If so, nobody in the NFL will burn a second for an age 27/28 running back in 2014. Considering Sankey at 54 was the first player taken, why wouldn't a team just pick their own guy, especially knowing CJ's spotty track record? In fact, the highest RB trade value we've seen in the past couple years was Bryce Brown, and even then Bryce is a 23 year old running back with very minimal wear and tear on him from both college and the pros. I can't see the Bills getting anything higher than a 4/5, and I'd rather take my chances like Gungy said: throw an acceptable number at him, if he doesn't sign, let the chips fall where they may. Edited October 9, 2014 by TheLynchTrain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Would a 2nd round pick be the absolute lowest you would accept for him? If so, nobody in the NFL will burn a second for an age 27/28 running back in 2014. Considering Sankey at 54 was the first player taken, why wouldn't a team just pick their own guy, especially knowing CJ's spotty track record? In fact, the highest RB trade value we've seen in the past couple years was Bryce Brown, and even then Bryce is a 23 year old running back with very minimal wear and tear on him from both college and the pros. I can't see the Bills getting anything higher than a 4/5, and I'd rather take my chances like Gungy said: throw an acceptable number at him, if he doesn't sign, let the chips fall where they may. the colts gave up a 1st for Trent Richardson. i'd take a 3rd for CJ. a team that is desperate for a RB that is making a run at the Super Bowl (San Diego comes to mind) might be crazy enough to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Every time I see EJ in space.....i get excited because I know something good is gonna happen It doesnt happen near enough Every time I see CJ run up the middle on 1st down.....I wonder if he is gonna gain more then a yard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Thurman's thoughts on Spiller and Hackett: http://www.buffalobi...6f-01c2f2b7e1d1 It's pretty funny how flabbergasted he sounds at how CJ is being used. I, for one, am SO SICK of hearing what Thurman, Andre and Kelly have to say about anyone on the current roster. It's not !@#$ing 1990. You're no longer relevant. The game is ENTIRELY different and so is the team. Rant over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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