mmichii Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 All I need to see are those catches he made at critical moments in the game. He came through for his team in the big moments. I would make the trade again in a heartbeat. Talent like that only comes along once every so often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 - The OL is the reason everyone on this board is dissing Spiller! Decent OL with average QB play and solid WRs (Williams, Woods and Benjamin?) to go along with one of the top Ds in football takes us places beyond just a token playoff appearance. Super Bowl or Bust! Probably the least desired player in the last draft is where the Dallas Cowboys went in selecting Zack Martin who they took with the 16th pick. Just about as unsexy a pick as you can get in taking an OG in the first round. But then, just look what that revamped O line has done for that Dallas run game, and QB Tony Romo. Then the same can be said about OG Fluker, and Philip Rivers. The Bills O line is the weakest area of the team, and not just because they are starting two rookies, as there will usually always be growing pains with rookies. Its mostly because of the money spent on a near useless player in FA OG Chris Williams, and the continued unbelievably bad play of Erik Pears. While Orton played a masterful game and held his composure against Detroit despite the not so great first half play. Which is something that EJ clearly fails to do. I still have to question if that #1 wouldn't have been better spent on a QB next draft. The Bills also still need a RG, and possible LG in this next years draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) I'm not sure how many pops I'd need to drink before I called Orton's game yesterday "masterful". I suspect a lot. Edited October 7, 2014 by gregor7777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 The Bills O line is the weakest area of the team, and not just because they are starting two rookies, as there will usually always be growing pains with rookies. Its mostly because of the money spent on a near useless player in FA OG Chris Williams, and the continued unbelievably bad play of Erik Pears. The Bills also still need a RG, and possible LG in this next years draft. Pears is out the door next season and there's a few good options in FA - Fusco (Vikes), Iupati (9ers) and Connolly (Pats*). A lot of cap room to maneuver even with the resigning of two or three key players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Pears is out the door next season ... And upon that day, there shall be much rejoicing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 That is an interesting question! I haven't seen that angle discussed yet. And i voted yes for Sammy Hands. i brought up the savings a few months ago and was laughed at. I said it was a fringe benefit of not having a 1st rd pick to sign/pay. I still believe that. It is obviously better to have the player who you get on a Rookie deal for 4-5 yrs. But a FA Or extension can be done with that money too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Sore ribs are very painful, I couldn't even walk. Is that when you started popping the pills? Wait, are you THAT House? I can still see the jump/knee that started this whole thing. What a crock! Rib injuries are a bad, bad injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Probably the least desired player in the last draft is where the Dallas Cowboys went in selecting Zack Martin who they took with the 16th pick. Just about as unsexy a pick as you can get in taking an OG in the first round. But then, just look what that revamped O line has done for that Dallas run game, and QB Tony Romo. Then the same can be said about OG Fluker, and Philip Rivers. The Bills O line is the weakest area of the team, and not just because they are starting two rookies, as there will usually always be growing pains with rookies. Its mostly because of the money spent on a near useless player in FA OG Chris Williams, and the continued unbelievably bad play of Erik Pears. While Orton played a masterful game and held his composure against Detroit despite the not so great first half play. Which is something that EJ clearly fails to do. I still have to question if that #1 wouldn't have been better spent on a QB next draft. The Bills also still need a RG, and possible LG in this next years draft. You dont use 1st round picks on guards. Im not all that worried about their OL. They can go out in the offseason and sign a guard. Watkins is a special receiver. I would do that deal again. If they do wel, this year and make the playoffs---the pick is in the 20s. You generally arent going to get some sort of elite talent that would impact you next season. They have a 2nd and 3rd next year (IIRC) and they should be geting a comp pick for Byrd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 They have a 2nd and 3rd next year (IIRC) and they should be geting a comp pick for Byrd. Two thirds if the conditions of the SJ trade are met. Fourth if they're not. Either way we'll have four picks in the first four rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiostyle Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Sorry can't answer the poll, just too early. I love the way Sammy's playing, but I need a larger sample size. My choice wouldn't have anything to do with what is on the board when the Browns use our pick, cuz you just can't hypothesize what the Bills would have done there, but I do need to see more Sammy, Ebron, and Benjamin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I've said it a few times but I think i'd take benjamin especially if we could have traded back and gotten a 1st next year or a 2nd this year. kb is legit and we could have added another quality player with that extra pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 The Bills had him at #1 on their board, supposedly. From Whaley's point-of-view it was a fair price to get the palyer they considered to be the best in the draft. The EJ argument is/has been a bad one. Sammy can be great independently of EJ's career. Josh Gordon had a great year with Hoyer, Weeden and Cambell throwing to him. At one time the draft was the be all end all. Not so anymore. Whatever they decide is their primary need in the 2015 off season, there are multiple ways to address it and a first round draft pick is but one. But hen again I considered this year's team to be an improvement over last year's, which was essentially a .500 team that gave two games away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 If the Bills could do it all over would you make the trade? I purposely left off "too early to tell." A simple yes or no. Too early to tell. He made 2 incredible catches yesterday that showed unbelievable body control. Can't teach that. Keep feeding him the ball. I was one of the skeptics because I was concerned at how many of his catches were short ones (under 5 yards), but, he's shown that he can run routes and his hands can't be questioned. Put me down as a yes. (I think I said at the time that I was Missouri...he had to "show me.") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 Too early to tell. He made 2 incredible catches yesterday that showed unbelievable body control. Can't teach that. Keep feeding him the ball. I was one of the skeptics because I was concerned at how many of his catches were short ones (under 5 yards), but, he's shown that he can run routes and his hands can't be questioned. Put me down as a yes. (I think I said at the time that I was Missouri...he had to "show me.") Glad to see you taking a stand Beerball. Welcome to the club!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Watkins best play and catch pretty much single-handedly won us the game (with an assist from Dan Carpenter. Watkins second best catch and play was phenomenal one hander. Watkins third best play was vastly underrated, reaching behind him late in the game that was a very good catch for 22 yards. Watkins fourth best play was a sneaky and tough lunge with the ball for a first down that looked like he would be two yards short on third down. Watkins fifth best play was a nifty pattern and catch for a14 yard first down. Watkins sixth best play was a short catch that he eluded his guy right on him and danced along the sidelines for a first down. He's a tremendous player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 At the time i really wanted us to trade back and take Benjamin but Watkins has a chance to have the better season now with orton at QB. I'd probably say Benjamin plus a second(?) from last years draft and next years first still being there would be a better value. Who knows, it kind of depends on who is drafted with our pick next year and who is available and whatnot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) At the end of the year, when we are in the playoffs or on the brink of them, some moron is going to post, in all seriousness, if we wouldn't have traded for Watkins, we would have only won three games, and we would have been in a position to get a QB #1. Edited October 7, 2014 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 When they put Sammy's bust in Canton the inscription can say "The Bills paid too much for him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Two thirds if the conditions of the SJ trade are met. Fourth if they're not. Either way we'll have four picks in the first four rounds. but for that trade for the great Bryce Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I'm not sure how many pops I'd need to drink before I called Orton's game yesterday "masterful". I suspect a lot. I called it masterful because he managed to make plays after the half despite the pick 6, and the nonexistent Bills run game, 22 rushes for 49 yards. Meant Orton was forced to carry the entire offense on his shoulders. Then the fact that Orton was only sacked 2x, and was under a lot or pressure due to the bad line. 15 first downs passing vs 2 rushing. 30 of 43 for 293 yards passing. The Detroit lions went into that game with the #1 overall defense, and yet Orton managed to beat them. The biggest part was that Orton called audibles at certain times, and those plays worked to help win the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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