YoloinOhio Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I remember reading at the beginning of the CFB season where Wisconsin's starting QB, Joel Stave, was benched in favor of a guy who was converting from safety! It was an odd move considering Stave was actually pretty good. He ended up having to play in their first game against LSU and his passes were all over the place. He looked totally different. They pulled him and said he had an injured shoulder. Then the coach said later that week that he was not injured, he actually had the "yips." I looked it up and it is a real thing that actually mentally affects how a QB know how to throw simple passes. I know many will say no, he just sucks. Well, maybe. But he just wasn't close to this bad last year. He pulled the trigger. He saw open WRs and made throws. He wasn't getting guys killed. He had a game where he was 20-28. Woods was his favorite WR and now he can't connect with him to save his life. Does anyone know anything about this condition and is it plausible from what we have seen? http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/story/qb-controversy-stave-not-hurt-after-all-has-yips-090214 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Great post! You might be on to something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Should we send him to the CDC in Atlanta so he can be treated in isolation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 No, he just sucks. But, it is shirely a mental issue and some times you can have it all in the tool box and never be able to get them out right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 It's exactly what he has. It's a combination of happy feet and over-thinking. He is in a state of physical and mental confusion. I think that is the "yips." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 It's exactly what he has. It's a combination of happy feet and over-thinking. He is in a state of physical and mental confusion. I think that is the "yips." in the article on Stave it referenced that he was a perfectionist to the point of overthinking and being unable to just naturally play the way he had his whole life. I remember Marrone saying something about EJ being too much of a perfectionist with his throwing while they were at TC (of course this was roundly ridiculed on here, understandably). No, he just sucks. But, it is shirely a mental issue and some times you can have it all in the tool box and never be able to get them out right. if he could even get back to where he was last year before the Tampa game, I think he could be a decent backup or maybe even a starter again. For reference, Stave said he is recovering : http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bigten&id=108319&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dstave%2Byips%26a%3Dresults%26MID%3D2500%22%7D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Should we send him to the CDC in Atlanta so he can be treated in isolation? A glass of warm milk every nite before lights out will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO'14 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Paul Azinger thinks its the yips. Tom Watson doesnt have an opinion on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 The yips? In Houston he threw like he had Ebola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonprophet Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I remember reading at the beginning of the CFB season where Wisconsin's starting QB, Joel Stave, was benched in favor of a guy who was converting from safety! It was an odd move considering Stave was actually pretty good. He ended up having to play in their first game against LSU and his passes were all over the place. He looked totally different. They pulled him and said he had an injured shoulder. Then the coach said later that week that he was not injured, he actually had the "yips." I looked it up and it is a real thing that actually mentally affects how a QB know how to throw simple passes. I know many will say no, he just sucks. Well, maybe. But he just wasn't close to this bad last year. He pulled the trigger. He saw open WRs and made throws. He wasn't getting guys killed. He had a game where he was 20-28. Woods was his favorite WR and now he can't connect with him to save his life. Does anyone know anything about this condition and is it plausible from what we have seen? http://www.foxsports...has-yips-090214 I'd say the new QB coach is the carrier, hopefully Orton has only suffered minimal "coaching". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) EJ has too many coaches telling him 50 different things. You can see him thinking too much instead of just feeling the game. I mean the guy was a winner in college. You can't suck that much and play at Florida State. Yips might be the right word. Edited October 1, 2014 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I remember reading at the beginning of the CFB season where Wisconsin's starting QB, Joel Stave, was benched in favor of a guy who was converting from safety! It was an odd move considering Stave was actually pretty good. He ended up having to play in their first game against LSU and his passes were all over the place. He looked totally different. They pulled him and said he had an injured shoulder. Then the coach said later that week that he was not injured, he actually had the "yips." I looked it up and it is a real thing that actually mentally affects how a QB know how to throw simple passes. I know many will say no, he just sucks. Well, maybe. But he just wasn't close to this bad last year. He pulled the trigger. He saw open WRs and made throws. He wasn't getting guys killed. He had a game where he was 20-28. Woods was his favorite WR and now he can't connect with him to save his life. Does anyone know anything about this condition and is it plausible from what we have seen? http://www.foxsports...has-yips-090214 I'll lean towards the defensive coordinators figuring his weaknesses out and this is the end result. It is not going to get better for EJ, IMHO his days are numbered in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 EJ has too many coaches telling him 50 different things. You can see him thinking too much instead of just feeling the game. I mean the guy was a winner in college. You can't suck that much and play at Florida State. Yips might be the right word. Other guys were winners in college and sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Interesting idea. Peter King just wrote that EJ is a perfectionist and that Whaley has had to tell him to "just play football." There have been reports, too, of EJ hiring a mental coach. The yips are a mental problem. It fits. Yolo, you might be onto something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I'd say the new QB coach is the carrier, hopefully Orton has only suffered minimal "coaching". I hope so too! After watching the video on BB.com, it looks like Orton won't listen to much if he doesn't like what he hears. Good for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 The yips? In Houston he threw like he had Ebola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garion Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 It's exactly what he has. It's a combination of happy feet and over-thinking. He is in a state of physical and mental confusion. I think that is the "yips." Yep not to mention he was getting killed on immediate pass rushers in his face the last two weeks. How do you kill a young qb's confidence get him hit _16_ times in additon to two sacks on roughly 46 drop backs against the best defensive line man in the league. Not excusing his poor play by any means. But the last two weeks would give most young qb's the yips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I had the yips putting in golf. Had to change my grip. My friend thought it was hysterical. Completely inexplicable. He's a pretty good golfer. Then he got it. Wasn't funny any more. Then I got it in my service toss in tennis. I used to play in a league with a guy who had the same thing and we all made fun of him. He quit the game. Beware people, I think it's contagious!!! Ebola- like indeed! Slightly more seriously, this is a real possibility.Yes, being abused by giants can add to the problem. He can't just throw the ball. Maybe Orton has the secret and he should share it with EJ, a bottle of Jack might loosen him up. Don't think so much, just THROW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I don't know if it's the yips, but something definitely happened during the SD game. The first couple games of the season he had much more confidence, threw the ball multiple times to a spot, and put a little zip on the ball sometimes. SD and Houston? Happy feet, airing it out, not throwing it until the WR shows as open, not trusting his receivers, everything. Hopefully the kid gets his mind back, not just for our sake, but for his. He seems like a good guy who tries real hard to do the right thing, thats the sort of guy you hope finds success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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