Why I think Marrone should be fired...

[extrahammer]

I'm just gonna sit back and wait for the "Bench Orton" posts in favor of whatever 3rd string QB we can scrounge up.

[C.Biscuit97]

Marrone still has a shot at sainthood.. nothin like a sacrifice to start the story

 

Haha. This is the first Bills related thing in 2 days that made me smile.

 

I'm just gonna sit back and wait for the "Bench Orton" posts in favor of whatever 3rd string QB we can scrounge up.

 

Maybe Tebow can take his job again!

[A Dog Named Kelso]

I just see this as Kelly Holcomb all over again. And I think EJ has more potential than JP. Mularkey got fired and then the Bills actually got a decent season out of JP.

 

EJ certainly has a lot of blame to shoulder. But a lot of this offense has regressed since Gailey left. The oline. Stevie Johnson looks like the guy he was under Gailey and not what he was last year in SF. Spiller was one of he best weapons in the NFL under Chan.

 

Why is it not crazy to think that maybe coaching is holding this team back?

No he didn't

[jr1]

It's going to be great when Fred Jackson's the starting QB

[extrahammer]

No he didn't

 

"Offer your resignation or we'll fire you." Happens everyday.

[GG]

 

 

"Offer your resignation or we'll fire you." Happens everyday.

 

No, Mularkey walked out on his own.

[C.Biscuit97]

 

No he didn't

 

They want him to fire a coach and he didn't so he quit. We went from 9-7 to 6-10 and he mangled the qb situation. He should have been fired.

[Stenbar]

I want him fired for bailing on the guy he selected after less than 16 starts.

 

Why should we ever trust him to draft and develop a qb again?

Its his job to put wins on the board not develop players....JC when are we gonna be happy as fans!!! EJ has shown some good things but for the whole package he has failed....The coach wants to win he is going down for better or worse throwing punches....Good for him.....

[Webster Guy]

The good news about all of this is that we'll actually know at some point this season whether or not the decision to change qb's is a good move or not. So many things discussed here are tough or impossible to quantify, but this one we'll see who is right and who isn't.

 

The upside for the Orton decision is if he plays well then our team gets better. That's the ONLY goal, to get better as a team and win enough games to get in the playoffs.

 

If Orton doesn't play better than EJ, then it will give Manuel confidence that he was on the right track and not a bust, and it will also help us to evaluate what else we have wrong on the offense. Maybe Hackett IS a good OC but his qb isn't talented enough to make it in the NFL (I have my doubts there, but hey this is what a qb change uncovers).

 

I see this as a win win scenario. Orton has been streaky throughout his career but he's played some awesome football at times, so hopefully he shakes off the rust and grooves that offense for us.

[C.Biscuit97]

The good news about all of this is that we'll actually know at some point this season whether or not the decision to change qb's is a good move or not. So many things discussed here are tough or impossible to quantify, but this one we'll see who is right and who isn't.

 

The upside for the Orton decision is if he plays well then our team gets better. That's the ONLY goal, to get better as a team and win enough games to get in the playoffs.

 

If Orton doesn't play better than EJ, then it will give Manuel confidence that he was on the right track and not a bust, and it will also help us to evaluate what else we have wrong on the offense. Maybe Hackett IS a good OC but his qb isn't talented enough to make it in the NFL (I have my doubts there, but hey this is what a qb change uncovers).

 

I see this as a win win scenario. Orton has been streaky throughout his career but he's played some awesome football at times, so hopefully he shakes off the rust and grooves that offense for us.

 

Overall, I like this post. My fear is that Orton isn't good enough and we wasted a year learning about EJ.

 

Again, if that happens, Marrone should be fired.

[beerme1]

 

 

You'd be surprised how many "EJ" starts Orton has had in his career.

 

And it's not really just about Orton or EJ. It's the same stupid mindset this franchise has had. You believe in a guy enough to draft him then you bench him for a journeyman. When has it worked for us?

 

I would love for Orton to prove me wrong. I would love the Bills to go on a tear. But it's going to be the same old crap. Fire the coaches and have to start over with a new qb.

 

Not this time. I believe that there is enough talent on this team to justify this move. Further, Orton should prove to be more than a capable qb that allows the other talent to win games for us. EJ is losing games for us and not allowing the talent to carry the day.

Our next 300 yard passer will be Orton. And for giggles and all of this to be true, we have to beat the Lions and I will predict the D or talent other than the qb will be the reason we win. Capable qb that allows others to do their jobs. I endorse this move and I support EJ. I don't know what he learns being the back up, but we cant afford more of his game right now. Getting guys hurt with his throw, killing us with int's etc.

[A Dog Named Kelso]

Barring the playoffs of course.

 

.....

 

I'd have a lot more respect for him if he went down with the EJ ship. But instead, he is taking the "safe" route with a known mediocre at best qb.

 

I'm a Bills fan first and foremost. I'm probably too optimist about this team. It means a lot to me and I let it clog my judgement at times. But I hate this move. Anything less than the playoffs, the Bills should bail on Marrone like he bailed on EJ.

 

 

So, if Marrone went 4-12 but stuck with EJ you would retain him, but if he goes 10-6 but misses the playoff because he made the switch to Orton you would fire him?

 

Also, where should Marrone's loyalty be to the other 52 players on the team should they all suffer another losing season for EJ's development?

 

I thought the point was for the team to win.

Edited September 30, 2014 by A Dog Named Kelso

[C.Biscuit97]

 

 

Not this time. I believe that there is enough talent on this team to justify this move. Further, Orton should prove to be more than a capable qb that allows the other talent to win games for us. EJ is losing games for us and not allowing the talent to carry the day.

Our next 300 yard passer will be Orton. And for giggles and all of this to be true, we have to beat the Lions and I will predict the D or talent other than the qb will be the reason we win. Capable qb that allows others to do their jobs. I endorse this move and I support EJ. I don't know what he learns being the back up, but we cant afford more of his game right now. Getting guys hurt with his throw, killing us with int's etc.

 

I loved for this to be true. I do disagree about EJ killing us with InTs. I think part of his problem is he tries to hard to not throw ints.

 

 

So, if Marrone went 4-12 but stuck with EJ you would retain him, but if he goes 10-6 but misses the playoff because he made the switch to Orton you would fire him?

 

Also, where should Marrone's loyalty be to the other 52 players on the team should they all suffer another losing season for EJ's development?

 

I thought the point was for the team to win.

 

Those are extremes. If the Bills are 2-4 and EJ is still struggling, I get the switch more. And most likely he stays if miss the playoffs at 9-7.

 

But how could you trust a guy to pick a qb if he whiffed that bad with his first choice? I think coaching staffs should be tied to the qb they draft, especially that high.

[mead107]

 

 

I just see this as Kelly Holcomb all over again. And I think EJ has more potential than JP. Mularkey got fired and then the Bills actually got a decent season out of JP.

 

EJ certainly has a lot of blame to shoulder. But a lot of this offense has regressed since Gailey left. The oline. Stevie Johnson looks like the guy he was under Gailey and not what he was last year in SF. Spiller was one of he best weapons in the NFL under Chan.

 

Why is it not crazy to think that maybe coaching is holding this team back?

did I miss a season ??? JP took us to the playoffs? Where is he now?

 

Face it, coach made right decision

[ndirish1978]

Doooomed!

[A Dog Named Kelso]

I loved for this to be true. I do disagree about EJ killing us with InTs. I think part of his problem is he tries to hard to not throw ints.

 

 

 

Those are extremes. If the Bills are 2-4 and EJ is still struggling, I get the switch more. And most likely he stays if miss the playoffs at 9-7.

 

But how could you trust a guy to pick a qb if he whiffed that bad with his first choice? I think coaching staffs should be tied to the qb they draft, especially that high.

We are not talking about most likely's these were your requirement of what you would do. So, would you fire him if he got the team to 10-6 but missed the playoff after this switch?

 

And even though they won the first two games EJs game was not what I would call great outings. It has been 4 weeks of at best OK to horrible qb play.

Edited September 30, 2014 by A Dog Named Kelso

[Stenbar]

Overall, I like this post. My fear is that Orton isn't good enough and we wasted a year learning about EJ.

 

Again, if that happens, Marrone should be fired.

So EJ played a partial rookie season and 4 games into his second and he gets pulled cuz he was terrible and Marrone should be fired....Why?????

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[Rob's House]

Overall, I like this post. My fear is that Orton isn't good enough and we wasted a year learning about EJ.

 

Again, if that happens, Marrone should be fired.

 

That's the fear of not switching to Orton. We already wasted last year learning about EJ. A rookie QB is going to usually get a year to grow provided he doesn't **** the bed. I understand he missed a few games, but he started 10 games. If you start more than half your team's games in a season you're no longer a rookie and you're expected to make a second year leap. EJ didn't. His first couple of games were just good enough to earn him some more time, but by this week it was clear that he hadn't earned the extra time. By year two you have to show something or you get the hook. He's actually had a whole lot more opportunity than most QBs get. Maybe if he works hard and studies he'll get another chance. But you don't throw away another season, especially a promising one, just to make sure you didn't waste a first round pick on a guy who looks like a bust.

[Spiderweb]

Manuel needs to step back and recoup. He has been horrible. He has missed receivers badly that were wide open, not to mention throws at the WR's knees, behind the WR's, or so far over the WR's head that the WR's had no chance. Goodwin darned near got killed because of Manuel. Yet as bad as this is, what the neck was Hackett and Marone thinking? If Marone had any balls at all, he would have left Hackett in Houston. Hackett has to be the worst OC in the NFL today.

[A Dog Named Kelso]

Manuel needs to step back and recoup. He has been horrible. He has missed receivers badly that were wide open, not to mention throws at the WR's knees, behind the WR's, or so far over the WR's head that the WR's had no chance. Goodwin darned near got killed because of Manuel. Yet as bad as this is, what the neck was Hackett and Marone thinking? If Marone had any balls at all, he would have left Hackett in Houston. Hackett has to be the worst OC in the NFL today.

This move allows everyone to see if the problem was truly EJ or others. If they continue to perform badly you can start looking at other area. However, if they offense really takes off there will be a lot EJ needs to process.