mitchmurraydowntown Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Pretty easy question, would he?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted September 29, 2014 Author Share Posted September 29, 2014 No But he's good enough for us ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I don't think so. He wouldn't be an upgrade over any starting QB in the league. How does this happen to us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I don't think so. He wouldn't be an upgrade over any starting QB in the league. How does this happen to us? I think he's better than Geno, Fitz, Tannehill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) Pretty easy question, would he?? Yes. The Jets would start him if they drafted him. So would Miami, Cleveland, Oakland, and St Louis. Or would you prefer Geno Smith, Ryan Tannehill, Bryan Hoyer, Derek Carr, or Shaun Hill over EJ? Edited September 29, 2014 by Campy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted September 29, 2014 Author Share Posted September 29, 2014 I think he's better than Geno, Fitz, Tannehill I think you're starring at everybody at the bottoms of the barrel however you slice it there, it's like trading fit for tat & tit left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I think he's better than Geno, Fitz, Tannehill Yeah, I don't know if I can say he's a clear upgrade over Geno or Fitz. I don't think he's an upgrade over Tannehill though. Really though, we're talking about him maybe being an upgrade over bottom of the barrel QBs. That doesn't make me feel any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted September 29, 2014 Author Share Posted September 29, 2014 Yes. The Jets would start him if they drafted him. So would Miami, Cleveland, Oakland, and St Louis. Or would you prefer Geno Smith, Ryan Tannehill, Bryan Hoyer, Derek Carr, or Shaun Hill over EJ? I'm not talking draft or commitments of any kind, like you're talking (on your own). If EJ was presented to another team without any obligations, would be be that team's starting QB ? Don't over-think this, just answer the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Well there is this tweet on the front page. "EJ Manuel now has a 19.8 QBR on the season, 32nd among 33 qualified quarterbacks. Only Chad Henne has been (was?) worse." So since Henne is no longer starting, Im not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I'm not talking draft or commitments of any kind, like you're talking (on your own). If EJ was presented to another team without any obligations, would be be that team's starting QB ? Don't over-think this, just answer the question. I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I think he's better than Geno, Fitz, Tannehill Are you insane? I'm gonna have to take a hiatus from this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted September 29, 2014 Author Share Posted September 29, 2014 Well there is this tweet on the front page. "EJ Manuel now has a 19.8 QBR on the season, 32nd among 33 qualified quarterbacks. Only Chad Henne has been (was?) worse." So since Henne is no longer starting, Im not so sure. He's been 32nd at QBR out of 34 QB's, one guy must of fallen off the list & Henne is playing soon barring a castaphroe. How far away is the next highest QBR's (31?) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Geno Smith is the only one who is close. The other 31 QB's are safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 He would start for Oakland or Minnesota next week depending on status of injured QBs. Other than that, NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berndogg Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 No. If we released him tomorrow, I would say there's a higher than 50% chance he would never play another down in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 The answer is, probably yes. Whether he's better right now that everyone else is not the only thing that matters. If the Bills thought EJ was as good today as he's going to get, he'd deserve to be cut. They look at him as a red-shirt rookie, who is learning as he goes, and they see enough potential to keep him on the field even if he costs the team wins that they could reasonably get with an average QB. So the reason he would probably start for other teams is that they have immediate AND longer term needs, and they're looking ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted September 29, 2014 Author Share Posted September 29, 2014 I did. Do you watch the games ? I mean really watch them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section242 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Well there is this tweet on the front page. "EJ Manuel now has a 19.8 QBR on the season, 32nd among 33 qualified quarterbacks. Only Chad Henne has been (was?) worse." So since Henne is no longer starting, Im not so sure. First QB since Brady Quinn to have a QBR under 10 in consecutive full games. So he's got that going for him also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Do you watch the games ? I mean really watch them ? I do more than that: I really really really watch them. Thank you for your concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted September 29, 2014 Author Share Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) The answer is, probably yes. Whether he's better right now that everyone else is not the only thing that matters. If the Bills thought EJ was as good today as he's going to get, he'd deserve to be cut. They look at him as a red-shirt rookie, who is learning as he goes, and they see enough potential to keep him on the field even if he costs the team wins that they could reasonably get with an average QB. So the reason he would probably start for other teams is that they have immediate AND longer term needs, and they're looking ahead. They won't get to even see him get better because they'll be gone by then. If he does get better (he won't), it'll be several years & several WR's careers over by then. Lets ask Marquis how he feels, I'd be willing to bet if unleashed the answer would be quite harsh. I do more than that: I really really really watch them. Thank you for your concern. I'm sure the TV's on, so I guess that's good enough. First QB since Brady Quinn to have a QBR under 10 in consecutive full games. So he's got that going for him also. I just looked it up, QB #31 has about a 40% higher rating. That's not a gap, that's an ocean away. Worst starting QB in the league by far using this metric. Edited September 29, 2014 by mitchmurraydowntown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) I'm sure the TV's on, so I guess that's good enough. I already told you, I really really really watch the games. Pro tip 1: Don't ask a subjective or hypothetical question if you are unwilling (or unable) to respect opinions that run contrary to your own. Just state your own opinion and move on. Pro tip 2: People who infer they have some sort of deeper understanding of the game than fellow posters generally don't. Furthermore, those people are often considered opinionated blowhards not to be taken seriously. If a poster knows his stuff, it will show without the need to imply others do not. Hope that helps. Go Bills. Edited September 29, 2014 by Campy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtDart Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Pretty easy question, would he?? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) Nope. And he might even struggle to land a #2. That being said, some team would take a chance on developing him, and with the proper coaching and play calling, he'd be fine. Edited September 29, 2014 by Dorkington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted September 29, 2014 Author Share Posted September 29, 2014 I already told you, I really really really watch the games. Pro tip 1: Don't ask a subjective or hypothetical question if you are unwilling (or unable) to respect opinions that run contrary to your own. Just state your own opinion and move on. Pro tip 2: People who infer they have some sort of deeper understanding of the game than fellow posters generally don't. Furthermore, those people are often considered opinionated blowhards not to be taken seriously. If a poster knows his stuff, it will show without the need to imply others do not. Hope that helps. Go Bills. Nice response. You brought up valid points but just to be clear, I'd like justification instead of just names. Why are those QB's not as good... ETC. Snide little comments inferring whether or not I know what I'm talking about isn't germane of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 if released, probably not a situation hed step into immediately. if he was drafted by another team - pretty good chance theyd be letting him play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 No one else in a position calling the shots would make such an awful error in judging talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FistingBot Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 EJ seems to spend most of his time trying to avoid negative plays rather than seeking positive "winning" plays. There is a big difference in mentality between the two. I think the comparison to post-concussion Trent is a good one at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Nice response. You brought up valid points but just to be clear, I'd like justification instead of just names. Why are those QB's not as good... ETC. Snide little comments inferring whether or not I know what I'm talking about isn't germane of the situation. This is bizarre. You asked if I "even watched the games" and then said you meant if I "really watch." And you don't consider that snide but my reply that I "really really really" watch was? Good grief... As for justification, it's because EJ has a much bigger upside than those guys despite, in a few instances, having far fewer starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 No, I am not being a homer. Yes, EJ could start for another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) I'm not talking draft or commitments of any kind, like you're talking (on your own). If EJ was presented to another team without any obligations, would be be that team's starting QB ? Don't over-think this, just answer the question. nope. He would not start for any team over their current starting QB. Edited September 29, 2014 by RyanC883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Front Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I've said it before: Jeff Tuel will have a longer NFL career than EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsInMaine Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Wors QB in league. http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=afceast&id=72362&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F%22%7D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 One week ago he was the second best QB in the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Number 76 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Any team that drafted him would still be playing him. He's a QB and it is simply too early to write him off. Or to call him the next all-star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 If we cut EJ he would clear waivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloPride Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Tannehill played a good game yesterday. He knows he's playing for his job. Maybe thats what Manuel needs. Marrone said before he likes players to have a chip on their shoulders. EJ has been coddled ever since he got here. I would bench him right now and make him earn his way back. At the very least they could give Orton more snaps in practice to send a message that they are considering making a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 No, I am not being a homer. Yes, EJ could start for another team. I'm not saying you're wrong but who else would he start for and be an upgrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykaykay Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Yes. The Jets would start him if they drafted him. So would Miami, Cleveland, Oakland, and St Louis. Or would you prefer Geno Smith, Ryan Tannehill, Bryan Hoyer, Derek Carr, or Shaun Hill over EJ? Yes to each & every one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 A QBR yesterday of 7.4 awesome. ranked 35th in the league of only 32 starters. if he puts his nose to the grindstone I predict he could hit a QBR of 10 against the fish. Well close it will be an away game. is JP still working out? What an upgrade that would be. Go Dougs!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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