Big C Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 roethlisberger and Luck, then helped Palmer get good enough again to win 11 games. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 10 ah sorry! Thought they went 11-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 roethlisberger and Luck, then helped Palmer get good enough again to win 11 games. He may be a very good coach,, but he did not really develop Luck at all, nor Rothlisberger. They were already good and the kind of players before he got them. Palmer, obviously, too. Coaches can make a nice difference for an offense as a whole, and put players in positions to succeed. But he surely didnt develop Luck. The first three years of Ben's career, Arians was the WR coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 imo, no matter how good a QB is entering the NFL, there is still a great deal if development that takes place. May not be in areas that we see as fans, but film study, game planning and prep, etc in the nfl is very different and something every rookie has to work at. Even more so, no matter how good they are when they start out, one of the biggest challenges is staying ahead of the DCs who now have film on you. Ben was devastated when the steelers fired him. It was the colts gain. I believe the colts would have been better off with Arians at HC than Pagano. JMO. It could have never worked out that way with pagano's situation and Arians had multiple HC opportunities. While I agree with most if not all of that, Andrew Luck was probably the best NFL QB prospect ever, even better than Manning. Not saying he's a better player or ever will be, but as far as being polished and NFL ready, with an NFL QB as his dad, and NFL coaching with Harbaugh (and then David Shaw), Luck was a complete player when he entered the league. I'm sure he liked Arians who likely did a great job with him. And with Ben, too. But they were going to be great anyway. Ben had won the Super Bowl already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 While I agree with most if not all of that, Andrew Luck was probably the best NFL QB prospect ever, even better than Manning. Not saying he's a better player or ever will be, but as far as being polished and NFL ready, with an NFL QB as his dad, and NFL coaching with Harbaugh (and then David Shaw), Luck was a complete player when he entered the league. I'm sure he liked Arians who likely did a great job with him. And with Ben, too. But they were going to be great anyway. Ben had won the Super Bowl already. And Arians was the Steelers' WR's coach during Big Ben's first 3 years. Speaking of Manning, Arians was his QB coach from 1998-2000. I'd agree that I wouldn't credit Arians with developing either player. But I do think he's a very good offensive mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 So much love for a BROWNS' player. Unreal. November 30th can't get here fast enough to shut up all the supposed Bills fans on this guy's jock. It's tough to tell where Johnny's testicles end and his fans here begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 So much love for a BROWNS' player. Unreal. November 30th can't get here fast enough to shut up all the supposed Bills fans on this guy's jock. It's tough to tell where Johnny's testicles end and his fans here begin. There are a few on the board that I'm not sure will be happy if our D makes him look silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 There are a few on the board that I'm not sure will be happy if our D makes him look silly. I like Johnny Football, but I hope the Bills crush his ribs on the first play of the game and he can't come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 There are a few on the board that I'm not sure will be happy if our D makes him look silly. Not if. When. This bills d is no joke. They are going to destroy Johnny football and I will cheer them on as they do so. I like Johnny Football, but I hope the Bills crush his ribs on the first play of the game and he can't come back. Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Johnny Manziel flashes middle finger after incompletion http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/18/johnny-manziel-flashes-middle-finger-after-incompletion/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Johnny Manziel flashes middle finger after incompletion http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/18/johnny-manziel-flashes-middle-finger-after-incompletion/ A lot of talk about this already this morning. Kid doesn't take being an NFL QB seriously and there will be repercussions - both from Cleveland fans & the League. IMO, Goodell's mark will go down in history for 'Defending the Shield'. Johnny-boy is gonna learn the hard way -in his wallet and possible suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I love this quote: <smug look on his face> "I gets words exchange to me every game, through the entirety of them, week after week, game after game." Is that suppose to be an excuse for why you did that JFF? How about, it was immature, or I was immature and can't let things get to me. I'm sorry but he(JFF) has built himself up, so when he plays like crap, he deserves all the "words" he gets, especially when he chooses to be the way he is in public. Welcome to the big league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 screen shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I love this quote: <smug look on his face> "I gets words exchange to me every game, through the entirety of them, week after week, game after game." Is that suppose to be an excuse for why you did that JFF? How about, it was immature, or I was immature and can't let things get to me. I'm sorry but he(JFF) has built himself up, so when he plays like crap, he deserves all the "words" he gets, especially when he chooses to be the way he is in public. Welcome to the big league. It's the same issue manifesting many ways, it seems. Johnny appears to think he's outside the standards others are held to pretty consistently. It'll be interesting to see if pettine can ease that transition into the real world (or whatever equivalent term might apply to an nfl qbs world)..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 He's a douche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 screen shot It really is a mark of immaturity...to be a leader, sometimes you have to rise above the fray and know your worth to those who follow you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 It really is a mark of immaturity...to be a leader, sometimes you have to rise above the fray and know your worth to those who follow you. I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Well at least everyone knows now they can get into his head. Welcoming him to The Ralph should be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 imagine being Hoyer and thinking you're going to be throwing to Josh Gordon and Sammy Watkins in your first full NFL season. Then your team drafts a little Flutie guy, Gordon gets suspended and Watkins gets traded away. Rough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 He's so immature! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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