truth on hold Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 IMO, neither Hoyer nor Manziel is the long term answer to the many years of Cleveland Browns QB misery. If I were a browns fan, I'd be even more concerned about that coaching staff. Pettine and shanahan look like the B team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 If I were a browns fan, I'd be even more concerned about that coaching staff. Pettine and shanahan look like the B team unfortunately (although it is very early) they probably had a better coaching staff last year. Pettine might be a good HC I have no idea yet. But replacing ray Horton and norv turner with Jim Oneill and shanny jr is not an upgrade as far as coordinators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Who beat out Kevin Kolb? Mike Vick? EJ Manuel's 2013 preseason qb rating: 112 Kevin Kolb's 2013 preseason qb rating: 58.3 And for comparison, Johnny Hobbit's 2014 qb rating: 77, inflated by a shovel pass touchdown against 3rd stringers. If I were a browns fan, I'd be even more concerned about that coaching staff. Pettine and shanahan look like the B team Little Shanahan doesn't have daddy or Kubiak to bail him out anymore. It's possible, if not likely, that this will be the first year since 2007 that no rookie QBs will start week 1. And this was supposed to be the best QB class in how long... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 It's possible, if not likely, that this will be the first year since 2007 that no rookie QBs will start week 1. And this was supposed to be the best QB class in how long... Could mean that coaches have seen the light regarding starting rookie QBs and decided it was a stupid thing to do in all but the most extreme (Luck) cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 It's possible, if not likely, that this will be the first year since 2007 that no rookie QBs will start week 1. And this was supposed to be the best QB class in how long... I know, right? The QB class of 2012 made starting rookie QB's the new thing, but this class will see journeymen QB's start over the rookies. Which IMHO is a mistake. EJ Manuel's 2013 preseason qb rating: 112 Kevin Kolb's 2013 preseason qb rating: 58.3 And for comparison, Johnny Hobbit's 2014 qb rating: 77, inflated by a shovel pass touchdown against 3rd stringers. Yep, EJ won the job. The rubber mat incident was moot in that regard, but it would have been nice to have Kolb over Lewis or Tuel in the games EJ missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I know, right? The QB class of 2012 made starting rookie QB's the new thing, but this class will see journeymen QB's start over the rookies. Which IMHO is a mistake. Yep, EJ won the job. The rubber mat incident was moot in that regard, but it would have been nice to have Kolb over Lewis or Tuel in the games EJ missed. Yeah, I love how people act like EJ was handed the job last year and the Bills had no plan at backup qb. Kolb is made out of glass but he is a hell lot more proven than Brian Hoyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Yeah, I love how people act like EJ was handed the job last year and the Bills had no plan at backup qb. Kolb is made out of glass but he is a hell lot more proven than Brian Hoyer. You are correct. Kolb had proven himself to be not able to stay on the field. That was a great Bills decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 It's possible, if not likely, that this will be the first year since 2007 that no rookie QBs will start week 1. And this was supposed to be the best QB class in how long... 2 years? GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 2 years? GO BILLS!!! i think they meant in terms of pre draft hype on quantity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 EJ Manuel's 2013 preseason qb rating: 112 Kevin Kolb's 2013 preseason qb rating: 58.3 And for comparison, Johnny Hobbit's 2014 qb rating: 77, inflated by a shovel pass touchdown against 3rd stringers. Little Shanahan doesn't have daddy or Kubiak to bail him out anymore. The competition never finished. EJ won by default by recovering from his injury first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 The competition never finished. EJ won by default by recovering from his injury first. I think if you go back and look at the media reports it was a unanimous decision that EJ had just flat beat out Kolb in the spring and training camp with or without either's injuries. He was not handed the job. It was a combination of Kolb continually looking flat awful and EJ picking things up fairly quickly and simply outplaying him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I think if you go back and look at the media reports it was a unanimous decision that EJ had just flat beat out Kolb in the spring and training camp with or without either's injuries. He was not handed the job. It was a combination of Kolb continually looking flat awful and EJ picking things up fairly quickly and simply outplaying him. I recall this as well. Of course no one knows what could have happened had Kolb not gotten hurt and missed so much time (I remember he also experienced a death in the family that led to missed time and reps). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I recall this as well. Of course no one knows what could have happened had Kolb not gotten hurt and missed so much time (I remember he also experienced a death in the family that led to missed time and reps). The only ones who think Kolb would have beaten EJ out, a 1st round rookie with a 112 qb rating in his first training camp, are folks with an agenda against Manuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 The competition never finished. EJ won by default by recovering from his injury first. I am respectfully disagreeing with your recollection of this series of events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Im a JF fan, but I agree that was the right thing to do. Let him learn some more, odds are Hoyer won't last past game 5 or 6 anyway not a big jf fan, but i would like to remind people that this was the presumed timeline for ej. most rookie qbs are supposed to ride some pine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) I am respectfully disagreeing with your recollection of this series of events. Kolb played like 3 quarters. Then his career ended. It's hard to say who "won" when EJ was the only healthy QB week one. For those two weeks when they were both healthy, did EJ play better? Sure. But to act as though he "wrested" control of this team in a glorious competition is a mischaracterization. Edited August 20, 2014 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Kolb played like 3 quarters. Then his career ended. It's hard to say who "won" when EJ was the only healthy QB week one. For those two weeks when they were both healthy, did EJ play better? Sure. But to act as though he "wrested" control of this team in a glorious competition is a mischaracterization. Most of the reports were about what happened day in and day out in the OTAs and then in practice at training camp. Kolb looked as bad as Lewis has played this year. There was hardly one day that any media report said that Kolb looked good, or even decent. Again, it was at least as much that Kolb sucked as it was that EJ "beat him out" but EJ clearly beat him out by both of their play last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 We need Astrobot to chime in. Wish there was a "tag" feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 The only ones who think Kolb would have beaten EJ out, a 1st round rookie with a 112 qb rating in his first training camp, are folks with an agenda against Manuel. Careful with language like that, you'll get a visit from the mods. If I were a browns fan, I'd be even more concerned about that coaching staff. Pettine and shanahan look like the B team Does that make Marrone/Hackett C team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 Careful with language like that, you'll get a visit from the mods. Does that make Marrone/Hackett C team? You do realize that the coaching staff signed Kolb in the first place to start. Meaning, they thought he wold outplay Manuel in camp. I guess they have an agenda against Manuel as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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