I want Trump for owner and you should too.

[BarleyNY]

Everyone has their own ideal situation for the owner but here is why you should want Donald Trump as the next owner...

 

1) He does not take failure as an option.

2) He does not take sh**from anyone

3) You want Rivalries back in Buffalo? This guy is liable to talk sh** about every divisional opponent and their owner. Oh and outside of the division, ESPECIALLY Jerry Jones because he hates other people with almost as much money as he has.

4) He will NEVER be called cheap. In fact I think he likes to overspend to get what he wants.

5) He has enough common sense to be hands off. He's not a football guy and he knows it. He will hire the right faculty and if they don't perform it's chopping block.

6) I think the NFL needs character and Trump is a character I'd enjoy watching in press conferences on his team. He's going to tell it how it is and not sugar coat it. We need more of that.

7) He has stated his intentions of keeping the team in Buffalo, he sees the importance of the fan base and how detrimental it is to the city.

8) I think everyone who sees Galisano as a better option should look at what he did when he owned the Sabres. Yes, he kept him here and we're all thankful for that but he had no win now mentality and it showed.

 

TRUMP for Owner in 2014... Now for all the haters on why my opinion sucks...

 

Doesn't accept failure as an option? You might want to check out some of his business ventures. Start with his casinos, which were abysmal failures. He's a guy who is wealthy because his dad was a self-made multi-billionaire. Despite his claims of being an incredibly successful businessman himself, he's had both successes and failures despite only ever taking responsibility for the successes. His improvement of his own estimate of his self worth come largely from his incredibly high valuation of the "Trump" brand.

 

I've never seen him "tell it like it is". He just sells, sells, sells. Accuracy never seems to be a theme. He tells the world how great he is and whatever they want to hear, but that usually doesn't match reality. So despite his claims to keep the Bills in WNY, I don't believe he'd do that without milking the area for every penny he could. And if he could get a better deal somewhere else he'd move them without a thought to whatever place it was that gave him the best deal. He's a snake oil salesman with a huge inheritance.

[Dirtbag]

https://www.youtube....h?v=aF8wLg5Asgo

i don't find this clip's bleeding heart liberal propaganda funny in the least! how come they don't mention the richer comedian's charity work?

[Canadian Bills Fan]

As long as he keeps the Bills in Buffalo.....

 

 

Plus it will put the Bills permanently in the national spotlight and I'm sure will give us more prime time games.

 

 

One thing is for sure, if Trump ends up as the new owner, the Bills will no longer be boring

 

CBF

Edited May 28, 2014 by Canadian Bills Fan

[Dopey]

Multiple bankruptcies and made an embarrassment out of himself in his run for president and his a birther conspiracies and his stupid friggin hair

 

I can not and will not support Trump as a Bills owner...

Got it,understood but I was making a point to people who post stuff like "He's a sad excuse for a human being....regardless of his personal wealth...he's an attention whore and a blowhard charlatan, carnival barking scumbag who'd be a bleeping nobody if not for his inherited wealth from daddy!

Edited May 28, 2014 by Dopey

[thebandit27]

I would love for you to show me where I said that.

 

I simply stated that it was much easier for folks who inherit there money to come back from bankruptcies. If you would like to argue the finer points of bankruptcy law, I am happy to have that conversation, albeit most of my knowledge is on the tax side.

 

Here's what I saw:

 

Sorry, most successful business men....or women would say no, it is not failure. It is merely a set back.

 

BigPappy

 

Changed to:

 

Sorry, most successful business men who have large inheritances....or women would say no, it is not failure. It is merely a set back.

 

BigPappy

 

Fixed.

 

I read it as this:

 

"Most successful business men--who have large inheritances--..."

 

If that's not what you meant, then I suppose it's a moot point. I would've imagine, though, that you'd have pointed that out in response to my initial statement--though I fully understand that it's hard to hit on every point of discussion in a thread like this.

 

I also don't think I ever discussed debating bankruptcy law...my knowledge of the law is limited to General Municipal Law.

[26CornerBlitz]

Got it,understood but I was making a point to people who post stuff like "He's a sad excuse for a human being....regardless of his personal wealth...he's an attention whore and a blowhard charlatan, carnival barking scumbag who'd be a bleeping nobody if not for his inherited wealth from daddy!

 

I don't care what charities he donates to, I stand by every syllable of what I posted and I'm in a damn good mood.

[thebandit27]

At the risk of pissing off both the left and right on this board:

 

a) I am not sure why this consideration should even be made. Most very wealthy individuals do structure donations in the most tax efficient way possible, and I don't think we should ostracize those individuals for doing so. Most very wealthy people give for several reasons, the first is usually somewhat self serving and that the building of a legacy. The second is a real feeling of community and feeling that they want to give something back to those that need help. My guess is Trump's reasons are both (although I would guess the legacy is slightly more weighted).

b) Likely he has not received tax deductions for all of his deductions, and depending on how things have been structured, he may have received only a small portion of deduction relative to what was given. My guess is he has set up a charitable trust of some sort and the vast majority of his donations have been made out of that, but just guessing.

 

Long and short, like I said before, I feel as though he is our best (worst) option.

 

I don't see how any of that should piss off any reasonable person.

[thewildrabbit]

The Bills could do worse then Trump IMO.

 

The thing is this man wants to win, and won't settle for 14 years of losing.

 

The one thing Bills fans need to understand is while he has stated he would keep the team in Buffalo. Although he has no real ties to the Buffalo community AFAIK. I'm thinking that while he will produce a winner long before 2020, and if a new stadium is built I see no reason that he would not keep the team in NY.

 

JMO.

[May Day 10]

he never won a division or a playoff game in the USFL and then was responsible for crashing the league.

[26CornerBlitz]

he never won a division or a playoff game in the USFL and then was responsible for crashing the league.

 

Just like contemptible owners Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder who have both tried to play GM with little to no real success.

[May Day 10]

Being loud and noisy and "getting everything you want" does not translate to sports and often ends up being a handicap.

 

Look at Pegula. I believe he learned a lot the past 3 years. An owner needs to be patient, smart, tactful, and willing to put people in charge who know what they are doing, while providing all available resources, including autonomy.

[yungmack]

I have been in the Atlantic City area since 1986 and worked in local media continuously through 2006. I have seen the Donald's "Art of the Deal" up close and have had friends amongst his executives and business partners. Believe me, he is not the "Golden Goose" the poster is writing about. His slow vacating of Atlantic City has not been viewed as a loss by the community which tired of his pompous act that failed to modernize his casinos and regularly short changed those who did business with him, which is truly the "Art" in the deal.

 

That being said, I welcome "The Donald" to the ownership competition. I am prepared to go to Trump Dome to watch my Bills play because I do believe he'd keep the team in Buffalo and he sees the Bills as the means to keep the Trump name in the spotlight. He just isn't my first choice of locally committed owners and he should not be yours. I'd take Jacobs or Golisano in a blink of an eye over Trump.

 

As for your numbered items:

 

#1 - if you have visited the Trump Plaza Casino Hotel or know about the fire sale of the Trump Marina/Trump Castle Casino Hotel then you know that Donald accepts failure with ease and gets tired of his toys to the point of not inputting funds necessary for success.

#2 - He may have a mouth but he has lost numerous battles including an infamous one with a little old lady that Doonesberry featured. Ask Steve Wynn if he has ever feared Donald.

#3 - You are correct Donald may shoot his mouth off enough to embarrass the team and maybe the city/community. We have rivalries in the Jets/Patriots and Dolphins. Donald has the potential of getting a significant percentage of NFL fans to have a distaste for the Bills and Buffalo, which is not anything I am hoping for but I guess you like what Jones has done for Dallas and the 'Boys.'

#4 - I am laughing at this one. Donald does all he can to save a dollar! He has a history of not even paying contractors a dollar for a dollar's work. He is wealthy because he gets by on the cheap.

#5 - Donald does hire good executives but believe me it is all about 'The Donald.' He enjoys being a focal point and yes, he will be a visible and aggressive owner giving input on every game, opponent, and anything to do with "his" team. There's nothing wrong with this level of visibility but the poster clearly has not been in the same room with Trump.

#6 - Yes, he is a character (This sort of defeats your statement in number 5.)! Frankly, I am a football fan for the game on the field. Not once since viewing my first Bills' game in 1962 have I wished for a "bigger than life" comic book character in the owner's box. I have detested the behavior and antics of owners like Jerry Jones and Al Davis while respecting the Mara's and Hunt's. I thought our joy as fans was about football not reality tv.

#7 - I agree that Trump appears committed to the WNY fan base and community. His ties with Jim Kelly may be helping this. This does not mean he'll continue to offer the reasonably priced tickets we are used to but if he comes to Buffalo I think he stays.

#8 - There is no doubt that Tom Golisano did what he said he would do. He saved our Buffalo Sabres! And, admitting that he was not a hockey executive he put his trust in the same hockey executive Terry Pegula did, Darcy Regier. The Briere/Drury mess was Darcy's and the dismantling of the team's potential can be attached to Darcy as well. There have no reports that claim Golisano limited payroll and I sure he wanted a winner. He was not a hockey guy but he was a very wealthy man who cared enough about Western NY to put the money out to keep the team here until a more committed hockey owner could be found. Sale made & profit made; good for Tom. However it appears Golisano is a football guy and he has the money to buy the Bills. This time it would not be a purchase to save a community's team ... This time it would be to have his team and Golisano wants to win perhaps even with a passion to make up for the Sabres lack of success.

 

So, bring on Trump or Golisano or Jacobs ... The Bills stay in place and my grandchildren can debate their Buffalo Bills long into the future!

This is all any reasonable person needs to know about Trump but if you want more, there are a couple of films that could open your eyes to what a joke this guy is: "Small Potatoes," about how he wrecked the USFL, and "You've Just Been Trumped," about his business dealings in all their sleaze. Anyone who thinks this guy is anyone you'd want to be involved with the Bills must be basing their opinions strictly on Trump's self-serving books, and the fawning over him by the whack jobs on Fox and their ilk. They're certainly not basing it on his real-world track record, which is toxic.

[Just in Atlanta]

Is he cheap?

[OCinBuffalo]

Is Donald Trump a Kennedy?

 

Is he essentially a tool with no purpose, other than to attend the quarterly meetings/collect the check, self-congratulate, be a professional dilettante, play around in politics instead of adding value to their businesses/assets, and muck around confusing effort(or in their case, throwing $ at things) with results?

 

You would think so with some of these responses.

 

Then, there's this:

"Donald does hire good executives but"

"but"? WTF? Believe me: there is NO "but" after that statement as far as the job "Bills Owner", or any CEO, is concerned. It's laughable, and telling, that we are blowing by this as though anything else can be weighed against it, with even a remote chance of being as significant.

 

That is job #1, for any CEO, and that makes such a massive difference in terms of results, that anything else rapidly approaches the irrelevant. The instinct/insight/whatever to hire the right people is what separates the NFL, in this case literally, CEO from the JV, and/or the "I don't know anything about executive level management, and I've never been anywhere near it, but, of course I have an opinion" people.

 

The simple fact is: executive level management is a batting average. Period. Describing it in terms of "Failure" and "Success" is absurd, and again: telling.

 

Too many decisions are made in a day, just like at bats over a baseball season, you can't "accept responsibility" for each one. There is no time for that. The other responsibilities, like: "making payroll", or "stand behind our work product" take precedence. And, tomorrow will be the same exact thing. Decision trends matter. Individual failures do not, because they can not. The next thing to be done is too important, to be distracted by what can't change. We can fix, but we can't go back and change.

 

That's the thing: if you make too many bad decisions in a row, you're fired/out of business anyway. So, what exactly is the point of agonizing over each bad one? No. Taking "responsibility for failures" is for people that struggle with having 5 things to do. When you have 1000 things this week, you can't be worried about 1. Your employees, your customers, your partners...need those 1000 things done. They don't need only 800 things done, because we decided to hold a "bad decision Memorial Day".

 

That..literally...is why "hiring good executives", is so important(with "best idea ALWAYS wins" as a close second), and that's why there is no "but". You can't possibly do the 1000 things by yourself.

 

IF Donald Trump can hire well, and if that can translate to the NFL business? That's all a Bills fan needs to know.

Jerry Jones? Jerry Jones hires himself to make football decisions.

 

QED He does not hire well.

[Buftex]

The Bills could do worse then Trump IMO.

 

The thing is this man wants to win, and won't settle for 14 years of losing.

 

The one thing Bills fans need to understand is while he has stated he would keep the team in Buffalo. Although he has no real ties to the Buffalo community AFAIK. I'm thinking that while he will produce a winner long before 2020, and if a new stadium is built I see no reason that he would not keep the team in NY.

 

JMO.

 

There are plenty of reasons he wouldn't keep them in Buffalo. If there wasn't we all wouldn't have had this collective anxiety about the future of the franchise for the last 20 years or so. Buffalo is awesome...but it doesn't necessarilly have a huge, built in fan base with people waiting years to qualify to purchase season tickets. This isn't Chicago, New York, or even Green Bay. Buffalo has its' own unique factors to deal with, that any owner has to be somewhat resigned to.

 

Part of what has made Trump successful, is buying and flipping things, to a healthy profit. He would never lose money on an NFL franchise, but even if everything went right, there will always (at least in ours and Trumps lifetime) more profitable markets than WNY to own an NFL team. He may be true to his word, and keep the team in Buffalo, but I just don't see him as a long-term owner. And, if he decided to sell, would a good businessman, with no ties to the area, really feel obligated to sell them to somebody with the priority of keeping them in WNY?

 

And to the point that you make about him "not settling for 14 years of losing".... somebody else made this counter-point earlier in this thread, and I think it was an excellent point... how many GM's and coaches have the Bills gone through in the last 14 years? Is firing everyone, and starting over always the best option?

Edited May 28, 2014 by Buftex

[BigPappy]

Here's what I saw:

 

 

 

Changed to:

 

 

 

 

 

I read it as this:

 

"Most successful business men--who have large inheritances--..."

 

If that's not what you meant, then I suppose it's a moot point. I would've imagine, though, that you'd have pointed that out in response to my initial statement--though I fully understand that it's hard to hit on every point of discussion in a thread like this.

 

I also don't think I ever discussed debating bankruptcy law...my knowledge of the law is limited to General Municipal Law.

 

Bandit,

"Most successful business men--who have large inheritances--..." is not what I meant. I actually typed what I meant. Ask any highly successful business man or woman and you would find my statement to be true. I know this because I have seen and heard it said countless times by business owners that make it big.

I am not really sure how you see it relevant that he inherited his money. He attended Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, an Ivy league business school. Whether he inherited 200 million or borrowed it from M&T Bank is irrelevent. He still took 200 million dollars and turned it into Billions.

All that said, he really is not my first choice in ownership either. My choices are Jacobs or Golisano.

 

BigPappy

[thebandit27]

Bandit,

"Most successful business men--who have large inheritances--..." is not what I meant. I actually typed what I meant. Ask any highly successful business man or woman and you would find my statement to be true. I know this because I have seen and heard it said countless times by business owners that make it big.

I am not really sure how you see it relevant that he inherited his money. He attended Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, an Ivy league business school. Whether he inherited 200 million or borrowed it from M&T Bank is irrelevent. He still took 200 million dollars and turned it into Billions.

All that said, he really is not my first choice in ownership either. My choices are Jacobs or Golisano.

 

BigPappy

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse the issue--I knew what you were saying...jo is saying that I misunderstood his "fixed" post, which is entirely possible given the content.

 

I happen to agree with everything you wrote...I am myself a business owner and I associate with a fair number of extremely successful entrepreneurs, and you are right IMO.

[BigPappy]

Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse the issue--I knew what you were saying...jo is saying that I misunderstood his "fixed" post, which is entirely possible given the content.

 

I happen to agree with everything you wrote...I am myself a business owner and I associate with a fair number of extremely successful entrepreneurs, and you are right IMO.

 

My Bad Bandit, I must have missed it. Seems most everybody here gets their knickers in a twist when you bring up Donald Trump, the tread is growing to fast to keep up with all the posts.

 

BigPappy

 

[OCinBuffalo]

There are plenty of reasons he wouldn't keep them in Buffalo. Part of what has made Trump successful, is buying and flipping things, to a healthy profit.

He has a history of successfully operating many, not just 1, business models. Thus, holding out one busines model as his auto-default approach to the Bills? Specious argument. Especially when he has specifically stated his approach. What cause has he given for us to automatically assume he is looking to flip the Bills?

 

I wouldn't point this out, but, this thread, just like the last time, has passed "opinion" and crossed the line into "character assassination". I would ascribe political disposition as to why.

He would never lose money on an NFL franchise,

Neither would Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, Lady Gaga, or Al Gore, if they bought the team.

 

The simple fact is that the NFL doesn't lose $, period. Not as a league, not as individual teams. Thus, again, I reject the premise, therefore i reject the rest of the argument. Trump will not lose money as owner of the Bills, so, casting his decision making as though that possibility exists, and would be predicated on it, is again: specious.

 

The NFL is a club. Trump wants to be a member. Period. The great + is that this club makes each member millions each year, no matter what. Literally the ONLY way the NFL stops being a guaranteed $ maker: bad will/moving teams/disrupting traditional rivalries/cheating/bad or illegal behavior.

 

ALL they have to do is stay away from that list/punish transgressors, and they are set. It's literally a 2 car funeral in terms of the big picture, that requires extreme caution. Trump, or any other owner, seeking to move a team, biggest enemies? The other owners, who don't want to lose any of their market share. (And spare me the LA thing? LA is such a good NFL market...that it hasn't had a team for 20 years)

And to the point that you make about him "not settling for 14 years of losing".... somebody else made this counter-point earlier in this thread, and I think it was an excellent point... how many GM's and coaches have the Bills gone through in the last 14 years? Is firing everyone, and starting over always the best option?

Someone else said Trump "hires good executives". Part of hiring them, is knowing when not fire the ones you have, unless you have a new plan that requires new people.

 

I say again: Jerry Jones hired himself to make football decisions, right after he showed Jimmy Johnson the door.

 

How's that working out? What evidence is there that Trump isn't an excellent hiring manager?

[BuffaninATL]

How do you find time to type with both of your hands down Trumps pants?

 

wow - brilliant......how long did that zinger take you to think up?

 

Seriously, the anti-Trump vitriol is comical to read. I, too, sense a strong sense of wealth envy and personality attacks on Trump. So he has taken risks, failed, made lots of money, and is not afraid to tell it like it is. Some of you here mistake this trait for self-aggrandizement. Yes Trump has his quirks and his hair and all that, but why can't people see the facts as they are? Do you want a milquetoast owner who is afraid to dictate success and is a nameless, faceless shill ?