NoSaint Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 The reason he lasted this long is his being gay. That is all. Anybody saying otherwise is either lying or fooling himself. They picked a kid from Marist before this guy. He will help the Rams. Were you this upset about Antonio Coleman going undrafted after leading the SEC in sacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Who f'in cares except liberal newswriters who are looking for a lazy way to fill their copy. If he keeps his affections out of the locker room, who cares. If he doesn't, then his harrassment will get him run out of there, just the same as if he was intruding on others in any other fashion that is unacceptable. ^^Yea they sure have to worry about him kissing his team mates... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Good for him being gay, but I turned on NFLN just now to see about the early life he had. A brother shot, a sister drown, a brother disappeared, two in jail, and some other stuff to the rest... the kid definitely rose above the surroundings and succeeded. Good for him, that he is gay, I just don't give a crap. To me it's not different then him being black, a man, or having two thumbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 IMO, it is pretty important. It's a barrier being broken down. In the hunt for equality in our society, it's another step in the right direction. In the future, it'll hopefully be a non story, but for now it very much is. Congrats to Michael Sam, and kudos to the Rams. Hopefully his teammates embrace him. Hopefully his opponents respect him as much as the next guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I found it curious, when Sam first came out, as I recall it was on a Friday, the first 24-48 hours of hype surrounding the story, pretty much everything I read/heard, said that he was projected to be a 2nd-3rd round draft pick. By Monday, when everyone in the media and the NFL was back from the weekend, all of the sudden, the SEC co-defensive player of the year, was being talked about as if he might not be drafted at all, of course, all based on his football abilities. It seemed like every team and every NFL executive tweeted out some statement of support for Sam. Don't know, it sure seemed like a choreographed, preemptive strike, from the NFL, because they knew damn well his sexuality was going to be an issue among a lot of their teams. I don't discount the argument that teams may have just taken him off their list, because they didn't want the inevitable distraction this would cause, more than any homo-phobic issues...but it would be naive, and dishonest to pretend that was not a factor at all. He didn't have a great combine, but a lot of guys don't, but are still drafted for what they actually did in games... Sam played well in games... Interesting to note, in the last 10 years, only 3 of 54 players named as defensive player of the year, in their conference, went undrafted. Of those 54, of the 10 from the SEC, only one went after the 2nd round. I realize their can be other factors involved in all of that...but, i think that is an indication that he maybe wasn't given the kind of consideration he might have been, if he hadn't come out. http://thebiglead.com/2014/02/10/michael-sam-only-one-other-sec-defensive-player-of-the-year-has-been-drafted-outside-the-first-two-rounds/ Good for him being gay, but I turned on NFLN just now to see about the early life he had. A brother shot, a sister drown, a brother disappeared, two in jail, and some other stuff to the rest... the kid definitely rose above the surroundings and succeeded. Good for him, that he is gay, I just don't give a crap. To me it's not different then him being black, a man, or having two thumbs. jboyst, I think many feel the same way as you...myself included. But there are obviously those who don't. It is still an issue for a significant number of people out there... seems as though most of Sams high school and college teammates knew, and had no issue. But there are a lot of folks, who aren't as accepting... whatever happens, this is an actual real legit news story...sure, we will all get sick of hearing about this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 The reason he lasted this long is his being gay. That is all. Anybody saying otherwise is either lying or fooling himself. They picked a kid from Marist before this guy. He will help the Rams. They'd better hope so. They're committed. They can't cut him without an EEO lawsuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 This is why no team wants to pick him!!!! Just shut up about it and let it go!!!! No one cares that he is gay!!!! No one cares that he is gay, but he is pioneering being an openly gay football player, making history- which is why it's being covered like it is!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBUffalo Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I love these idiots who keep saying nobody cares. It's a major thing. I know you're protected and privileged life is comfortable, but it's not that way for everybody. I'm glad Michael Sam got drafted, and I will be rooting for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 If he can announce to the world that he enjoys anal sex with men? Then is it cool for a straight guy to announce to the world that he enjoys anal sex with women? If so, where is our parade? I know that I am not alone here. Will male athletes be misunderstood if they admit to such a thing at a press conference? Will Mike Mayock speak of the need for dialogue on the issue? Should we keep some things private? Are we ready for a women's feet float in the Thanksgiving Day Parade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Or because he is an undersized tweener with no real fit in the NFL at his size and weight. That could probably be it. In the last six years no SEC Defensive Player of the Year had been selected later than 17th overall...but I'm sure you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 In the last six years no SEC Defensive Player of the Year had been selected later than 17th overall...but I'm sure you're right. How many of these 7 have you watched heavily? Could you tell me the differences? I brought up in this thread an SEC sack leader that likewise was too small for end and too slow for LB and he went completely undrafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 (edited) How many of these 7 have you watched heavily? Could you tell me the differences? I brought up in this thread an SEC sack leader that likewise was too small for end and too slow for LB and he went completely undrafted. To add to your point a little, Kelcy Quarles of South Carolina was 3rd in the SEC with 9.5 sacks this season. He went undrafted as well. The simple fact is that the draft is highly competitive from a player's perspective. There's a reason it was 12 rounds as recently as 1992. There's still plenty of talent in seven rounds and its hardly unheard of for a midround projection to fall out of the draft after a disappointing combine or other misstep along the way. Edited May 11, 2014 by Brandon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 How many of these 7 have you watched heavily? Could you tell me the differences? Zero and nope.....You? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB Bull Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 If he can announce to the world that he enjoys anal sex with men? Then is it cool for a straight guy to announce to the world that he enjoys anal sex with women? If so, where is our parade? I know that I am not alone here. Will male athletes be misunderstood if they admit to such a thing at a press conference? Will Mike Mayock speak of the need for dialogue on the issue? Should we keep some things private? Are we ready for a women's feet float in the Thanksgiving Day Parade? Honestly? Do you really not understand the difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Zero and nope.....You? Yea, I could, and many have. If you choose to ignore their assessments because it makes for a better story so be it. I will again point to Antonio Coleman who led the SEC in sacks a couple years ago and was a UDFA for us as a comparable player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 (edited) This is why no team wants to pick him!!!! Just shut up about it and let it go!!!! No one cares that he is gay!!!! Did Rich Eisen start screaming Johnny Manzeil when he was talking about Sam or was he actually able to lay off for a few mins There was one point today where he was complaining about ppl on twitter complaining about how much he talked about Manzeil and he just started screaming and every time someone else tried talking he would just start screaming Manzeil again The coverage was absolutely brutal by both networks this year. Think I'm done with the televised broadcasts Edited May 11, 2014 by Max997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Look in the mirror. . ha he lasted because he has no position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I bet a gay Manzeil drafted by the Patriots would get his own ESPN channel. I wish he was gay because I'm disappointed this morning's ESPN Manzeill segments only lasted 25 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Were you this upset about Antonio Coleman going undrafted after leading the SEC in sacks? Since being a SEC Defensive Player of the Year and being the SEC sack leader have nothing to do with each other, I would bet not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GripnRip Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I bet it plays well to female/non-traditional demographic. Is there really that much info you're trying to ingest that an extra 10 minutes of buffer is a big deal? Like others have said, every 5 minutes there updating you on what color johnny footballs underwear is I'm happy whenever they bring me somethign new...even if it is just some liberal fodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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