KGUNBILLS Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 With how hard it has become to find an elite franchise QB, I don't believe anyone would dance with us for two first rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 I like Marcus Mariota in next years draft. I think he would've been the 1st QB taken in this years draft when it all shook out had he thrown his hat in the ring. I think next season will really solidify his stock as the probable #1 overall pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) I would trade 2 firsts for Rivers tomorrow. The guy literally turned back the clock last season playing with only one competent WR and an aging Gates. SD defense was horrible and they made it to the second round. Rivers on this Bills roster goes 11-5. We're basically like the 2009 Chargers without a QB anyway. And we don't have Kaeding, who singlehandedly choked a playoff game away. Edited March 23, 2014 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 You really don't think 3 years of Roethlisberger, Cutler, Romo, or Rivers are worth the playoff runs that would go with it, not even to mention Manning, Brady, Rogers, Ryan, or Brees?? Roethlisberger and Rivers yes, cutler and (are you serious) Romo no. Of course I give that for the greats but as the OP said their teams aren't parting with them for any thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Aaron Rogers! It's a fantasy as none of the top guys will ever go anywhere even if you gave your entire draft away. These teams are not dumb. Once you get a franchise QB, you don't ever give him up for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 This whole thread makes me hate Indy. They are fortunate enough for an entire decade of kicking ass with Peyton. They suffer through one crappy season and win the lottery for another decade for kick ass with luck. Why? I hate the football gods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 Aaron Rogers! It's a fantasy as none of the top guys will ever go anywhere even if you gave your entire draft away. These teams are not dumb. Once you get a franchise QB, you don't ever give him up for anything. That's true, and I know that, that's why that wasn't the stated premise of the thread in my OP. I know top QBs can't be pryed loose for anything short of a majority stake in team ownership, that's why the thread was which ABOVE AVERAGE QB could we get for 2 first rounders. They're not top 5 QBs, probably not top 10, but can play well enough for us to make a 3 year run with them. See: Roethlisberger, Romo, Cutler, Stafford, or best case scenario, Rivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Kaepernick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Aaron Rodgers is the ONLY QB in the league I would give two 1st round picks for at the moment. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Kaepernick Kaepernick has a near-perfect situation with an outstanding OL with 2 1st round OTs and a 1st round OG, a pro-bowl TE, WRs Michael Crabtree and Anquan Boldin and RB Frank Gore. Yet, he hasn't been all that great, so I think he is too unproven to give up 2 1st round PICKS for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 Aaron Rodgers is the ONLY QB in the league I would give two 1st round picks for at the moment. GO BILLS!!! Can you explain why, though? Do you think our next 2 first rounders would contribute more than, hypothetically, Andrew Luck? If our next 2 first rounders are, say, a RT this year and a safety next year, we could just draft a RT in the 2nd round this year and get a safety elsewhere next off season, and be in almost the exact same place at those positions, but have QB fixed for the next 10 years. First rounders are not some untouchable, direly necessary asset, unless you're in the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 probably just Luck, I don't get the Brees answers he will 36 next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 None, because the only people who might be worth it are on the downside of their careers. It always seems like a great idea until you are left with no QB and no 1st round picks. PTR So we can't take an OT or a DB for 2 years in the first round? Big deal. To the OP, if we are just (pseudorealistically) choosing from the "so that leaves these" list--it has to be Kaeperninck. Youngest and most talented of that group. No brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 So we can't take an OT or a DB for 2 years in the first round? Big deal. To the OP, if we are just (pseudorealistically) choosing from the "so that leaves these" list--it has to be Kaeperninck. Youngest and most talented of that group. No brainer. I'm a Kaep fan but you did realize he had a low completion % than EJ right? And the only answer to this for me is Aaron Rodgers. But this also goes to why you need to be patient when developing young Qbs. Brees was a 2nd rounder. Rodgers was a late 1st. Kaep was a 2nd rounder. Maybe we should give our own guy more than a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Here's the problem I see with your logic. So why not just use one of those 1st round picks and draft that sure fire franchise QB? Answer is because we or anyone else really have no good way of predicting who that guy will be. So if we don't know who he'll be, why would another team who also doesn't know who that franchise guy will be make the trade and give up on a sure thing? Second problem is as you've eluded to we're just a QB away from being real good. You could draft that next star QB, but again the issue is first figuring out who he is, then you still may likely need to wait a couple of years for him to develop into that star. Well that's the same problem these teams you mention as trading partners, for the most part, they are also either close to or already winning teams, so they'd be taking a step back in time to make that trade, so again why would they. The only way I could see a team even consider making the deal would be if they were a team with a very good QB, but the team was complexly on the down side of winning. Looking at your list, there really aren't any teams in the category with a good QB on a terrible team. Likely the reason is the good QB elevates the entire team around him. I'd als obe scared to death of any team willing to make that trade as likely the QB we'd be getting must not be nearly as good as we think, else why would the team have given him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 What is this I don't even Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Can you explain why, though? Do you think our next 2 first rounders would contribute more than, hypothetically, Andrew Luck? If our next 2 first rounders are, say, a RT this year and a safety next year, we could just draft a RT in the 2nd round this year and get a safety elsewhere next off season, and be in almost the exact same place at those positions, but have QB fixed for the next 10 years. First rounders are not some untouchable, direly necessary asset, unless you're in the NBA. I understand the value of two #1 picks moving forward. I also understand the value of an HOF QB with the most shelf-life left in him. We would get much more out of Rodgers, who's played behind some of the worst lines in the league, than Andrew Luck in the short term. When Andrew Luck reaches Rodgers-like status in a couple years, we'll still have a future HOF QB not yet close to the end, so I like AR for the long term as well. Luck would be my next choice, though. And no, you're not gonna get nearly as much out of ANY 1st round pick than you would out of an HOF QB. Simply by virtue of the position itself. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 The teams that would give up their QB for 2 first round picks probably don't have a QB worth taking if a Super Bowl victory is the goal. The teams that do have a QB that I would be willing to give 2 first rounders for would not give their guys up at that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 The teams that would give up their QB for 2 first round picks probably don't have a QB worth taking if a Super Bowl victory is the goal. The teams that do have a QB that I would be willing to give 2 first rounders for would not give their guys up at that price. This is true, too. Just an interesting exercise in hypothetical transactions. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 So we can't take an OT or a DB for 2 years in the first round? Big deal. To the OP, if we are just (pseudorealistically) choosing from the "so that leaves these" list--it has to be Kaeperninck. Youngest and most talented of that group. No brainer. A miss. but close Weo. Its Luck . He is The One for the next decade. I would trade my left shoe and walk crooked for Andrew to be the Buffalo Bill " Leading the Charge " There is ZERO chance that the Colts would trade Andrew Luck for 2 first rounders. okay how about 3 ? Johnny Unitas but only with Earl Morrall in a package deal ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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