KDIGGZ Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Spikes is a beast. i'm really hoping this Kiko announcement is because they know they are close to signing him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamOnDan Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 And let me edit what I said: Not everyone ripped the idea of moving Kiko to the outside, but quite a few thought it was blasphemy. I hear ya on that one.. I thought if they were keeping things relatively the same like they said they were that it was kinda odd.. If the Bills played the same defense as last year, it would be blasphemy.. Mario Williams, Manny Lawson, and Jerry Hughes were OLB in Pettine D. Now all 3 players are DE or hybrid type edge rushers.. i think Manny is likely the nickle LB next to KIKO still... Theoretically Kiko is basically playing like a MLB in the new scheme, they are just calling it OLB.. He is still the ONLY LB that will be on the field for every snap.. Its not like Kiko has a similar skill set to an edge rushing OLB that would play in a more aggressive scheme. I'm willing to give people the benefit of the doubt that there was a lot of uncertainty regarding the front 7 and who was gonna line up where... No need to freak out about it though, right?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 #9- ILB CJ Mosley completes LB core. #41- OT Moses or Richardson can block pass and run. #73- FS Terrance Brooks, insurance at FS position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 #9- ILB CJ Mosley completes LB core. #41- OT Moses or Richardson can block pass and run. #73- FS Terrance Brooks, insurance at FS position. get Spikes now and we can use that #9 pick on a WR like Watkins or Evans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 get Spikes now and we can use that #9 pick on a WR like Watkins or Evans Or a punter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 If we still had Pettine, would Kiko still be switching? Or is this in part because of the 4-3 switch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 If we still had Pettine, would Kiko still be switching? Or is this in part because of the 4-3 switch? Pettine was going to move him as well once he had a better fit at MLB. He said this last season but Kiko was the best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 get Spikes now and we can use that #9 pick on a WR like Watkins or Evans This. CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 This is wonderful news. They only thing worse than Kiko at MLB in the 4-3 is anybody they played at WOLB last year. Kiko will be a beast at OLB in the base defense. Probably will still be the nickel MLB which is really the base defense anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HankBulloughMellencamp Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Probably will still be the nickel MLB which is really the base defense anyways. This is an excellent point - if Spikes is the guy, you can bet Kiko will shift over to the middle on obvious passing downs. Spikes checks out, Robey/Graham check in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 This is an excellent point - if Spikes is the guy, you can bet Kiko will shift over to the middle on obvious passing downs. Spikes checks out, Robey/Graham check in. That's how I see it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 if kiko and rivers are playing OLB where does that leave Lawson? No doubt I hate the idea of taking Lawson off of the field. He's been a very good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 is kiko going to be angry about the move? we dont want to make kiko angry. you wont like him when he's angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 No doubt I hate the idea of taking Lawson off of the field. He's been a very good player. Agreed. The cynic in me thinks that he's very likely to be a training camp cut this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) Agreed. The cynic in me thinks that he's very likely to be a training camp cut this summer. i dont even think its that cynical.... its the problem with changing coordinators annually as we have the last several years. you get guys to fill roles and then roles change. he may or may not be a good fit in the new defense, and by extension may be a poor value. Edited March 14, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Spikes is a beast. i'm really hoping this Kiko announcement is because they know they are close to signing him Or it was used as a tool to give a little bit of ground to the negotiations of signing Spikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 is kiko going to be angry about the move? we dont want to make kiko angry. you wont like him when he's angry. I do remember him being interviewed toward the end of the season or right after the season and he was asked if he had been talked to about moving to OLB.... he said no one had said anything and looked like he wanted to kill the person who asked. He always looks like that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) Anyone else here kind of think having Poz around still would have been nice. Ho-hum. Oh well. Yeah he was a loss. It pales in comparison to losing All Pro's like Peters, Byrd and Lynch but since departing Poz has made 47 of 48 starts, gets turnovers, tackling machine(160 last year), pro bowler in 2013 etc.... His departure was smoothed over by the Barnett signing, but Barnett barely made it a season before he ceased to be useful. Poz got overpaid by Jax by about $1M-$1.5M per yr but truthfully I think the Bills overpay quite a bit on these lower end contracts like Chris Williams. Would anyone have been surpised to see him sign for $1.25M rather than $3.25? I will give Whaley the benefit of the doubt because I've barely seen the guy play since he was with the Bears but he was released outright a season and a half ago so he was basically on the margins of the NFL. Until the Bills are winning and can actually draw some attention in free agency they are always going to have to overpay and I think sometimes they forget that with their own players. Just because they are USED to losing doesn't mean they want to lose at a discount or even at fair market value. They seem to understand this better with other teams players than their own(see Mario for prime example). Edited March 14, 2014 by BADOLBEELZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Yeah he was a loss. It pales in comparison to losing All Pro's like Peters, Byrd and Lynch but since departing Poz has made 47 of 48 starts, gets turnovers, tackling machine(160 last year), pro bowler in 2013 etc.... His departure was smoothed over by the Barnett signing, but Barnett barely made it a season before he ceased to be useful. Poz got overpaid by Jax by about $1M-$1.5M per yr but truthfully I think the Bills overpay quite a bit on these lower end contracts like Chris Williams. Would anyone have been surpised to see him sign for $1.25M rather than $3.25? I will give Whaley the benefit of the doubt because I've barely seen the guy play since he was with the Bears but he was released outright a season and a half ago so he was basically on the margins of the NFL. Until the Bills are winning and can actually draw some attention in free agency they are always going to have to overpay and I think sometimes they forget that with their own players. Just because they are USED to losing doesn't mean they want to lose at a discount or even at fair market value. They seem to understand this better with other teams players than their own(see Mario for prime example). If the Bills had resigned Puz, Mario probably isn't on the roster and I'm taking Mario all day long. Puz was ok, and I know he makes some plays here and there but I just dont see him as a "difference maker" for some reason. I dunno its hard to explain. I want a Patrick Willis type angry monster in the middle and he just doesn't seem to be that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overseas Bills Fan Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 When Kiko Alonso is on the field, he is both OLB's and MLB #TheLegendOfKikoAlonso CBF Kiko doesn't tackle people. People run into him and fall to their knees, begging for forgiveness Kiko doesn't intercept pass. The ball is afraid to go to its intended receiver because Kiko will mash it Chuck Cecil looked at Kiko and said "Damn, son. . .you make me look like a powderpuff." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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