Markjaro Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 So, I was thinking that EJ while showing glimpses of talent had been disappointing in some areas so far this year. This of course was a somewhat subjective response to his performance so far. I mean it's a team sport with lots of variables beyond the QBs control. So I pulled up another very good QBs stats for his first five games to compare. Here they are: (From ?QB's first five games according to ESPN's player game log) Game 1 - loss - 21/37 302 yds 56.8 % 1 td 3 int 58.6 RAT Game 2 - loss - 21/33 188 yds 63.6 % 1 td 3 int 51.1 RAT Game 3 - loss - 20/44 193 yds 45.5% 0 td 2 int 39.3 RAT Game 4 - loss - 19/32 309 yds 59.4 % 1 td 3 int 63.2 RAT Game 5 - win - 12/23 137 yds 52.2 % 1 td 1 int 66.8 RAT Totals 1-4 - 93/169 1129 yds 55% 4 td 12 int 55.8 RAT EJ's first five games according to ESPN's player game log) Game 1 - loss - 18/27 150 yds 66.7 % 2 td 0 int 105.5 RAT Game 2 - win - 27/39 296 yds 69.2 % 1 td 1 int 89.3 RAT Game 3 - loss - 19/42 243 yds 45.2% 1 td 0 int 71.8 RAT Game 4 - win - 10/22 167 yds 45.5 % 1 td 2 int 48.9 RAT Game 5 – loss - 11/20 129 yds 55.0 % 0 td 0 int 74.8 RAT Totals 2-3 - 85/150 985 yds 56.7% 5 td 3 int 79.4 RAT Any guesses as to who ?QB is? I am not so disappointed anymore.....Good luck Thad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 I do feel much better actually. Thats a fun comparison. Go Thad ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Who was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You herd it hear last Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Sid Luckman... I knew it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Sadly, someone EJ will never become, Peyton Manning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Hackett says Lewis learned a lot by helping him out in the booth during games. I wonder if EJ will be up with Hackett, picking his brain, watching defenses from a different perspective. Hanging out with Hackett could be instructional for EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Sadly, someone EJ will never become, Peyton Manning same thing could be said about many other qbs around the league. hasn't stopped them from winning championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Hackett says Lewis learned a lot by helping him out in the booth during games. I wonder if EJ will be up with Hackett, picking his brain, watching defenses from a different perspective. Hanging out with Hackett could be instructional for EJ. Yes they said EJ will be in the booth with Hackett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Hackett says Lewis learned a lot by helping him out in the booth during games. I wonder if EJ will be up with Hackett, picking his brain, watching defenses from a different perspective. Hanging out with Hackett could be instructional for EJ. I sure hope so. Maybe Hackett is a better teacher than game planner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 OMG! EJ's better than Peyton Manning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 So, I was thinking that EJ while showing glimpses of talent had been disappointing in some areas so far this year. This of course was a somewhat subjective response to his performance so far. I mean it's a team sport with lots of variables beyond the QBs control. So I pulled up another very good QBs stats for his first five games to compare. Here they are: (From ?QB's first five games according to ESPN's player game log) Game 1 - loss - 21/37 302 yds 56.8 % 1 td 3 int 58.6 RAT Game 2 - loss - 21/33 188 yds 63.6 % 1 td 3 int 51.1 RAT Game 3 - loss - 20/44 193 yds 45.5% 0 td 2 int 39.3 RAT Game 4 - loss - 19/32 309 yds 59.4 % 1 td 3 int 63.2 RAT Game 5 - win - 12/23 137 yds 52.2 % 1 td 1 int 66.8 RAT Totals 1-4 - 93/169 1129 yds 55% 4 td 12 int 55.8 RAT EJ's first five games according to ESPN's player game log) Game 1 - loss - 18/27 150 yds 66.7 % 2 td 0 int 105.5 RAT Game 2 - win - 27/39 296 yds 69.2 % 1 td 1 int 89.3 RAT Game 3 - loss - 19/42 243 yds 45.2% 1 td 0 int 71.8 RAT Game 4 - win - 10/22 167 yds 45.5 % 1 td 2 int 48.9 RAT Game 5 – loss - 11/20 129 yds 55.0 % 0 td 0 int 74.8 RAT Totals 2-3 - 85/150 985 yds 56.7% 5 td 3 int 79.4 RAT Any guesses as to who ?QB is? I am not so disappointed anymore.....Good luck Thad... You can find similar 1st 5 game stat lines for a number of rookie QB. Having a poor to mediocre 1st season is not atypical of rookies, even promising rookies. The real question is what does the 2nd and 3rd season and beyond look like? You wind up with players like Bradford, Stafford, and Freeman who have been playing in the league 3-4 years and you're not seeing the improvement and consistency you'd like, then it's a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) So, I was thinking that EJ while showing glimpses of talent had been disappointing in some areas so far this year. This of course was a somewhat subjective response to his performance so far. I mean it's a team sport with lots of variables beyond the QBs control. So I pulled up another very good QBs stats for his first five games to compare. Here they are: (From ?QB's first five games according to ESPN's player game log) Game 1 - loss - 21/37 302 yds 56.8 % 1 td 3 int 58.6 RAT Game 2 - loss - 21/33 188 yds 63.6 % 1 td 3 int 51.1 RAT Game 3 - loss - 20/44 193 yds 45.5% 0 td 2 int 39.3 RAT Game 4 - loss - 19/32 309 yds 59.4 % 1 td 3 int 63.2 RAT Game 5 - win - 12/23 137 yds 52.2 % 1 td 1 int 66.8 RAT Totals 1-4 - 93/169 1129 yds 55% 4 td 12 int 55.8 RAT EJ's first five games according to ESPN's player game log) Game 1 - loss - 18/27 150 yds 66.7 % 2 td 0 int 105.5 RAT Game 2 - win - 27/39 296 yds 69.2 % 1 td 1 int 89.3 RAT Game 3 - loss - 19/42 243 yds 45.2% 1 td 0 int 71.8 RAT Game 4 - win - 10/22 167 yds 45.5 % 1 td 2 int 48.9 RAT Game 5 – loss - 11/20 129 yds 55.0 % 0 td 0 int 74.8 RAT Totals 2-3 - 85/150 985 yds 56.7% 5 td 3 int 79.4 RAT Any guesses as to who ?QB is? I am not so disappointed anymore.....Good luck Thad... It's such a different game now than it was in 1998 (let alone 1988). The game is so incredibly tailored to help the offensive players now that you simply don't see more than a few QB's throw more INT's than TD's in a season. Jim Kelly threw more INT's than TD's in 1988 when the Bills went 12-4. I remember when 3,000 yards was a milestone. Now if you start 16 games and don't throw for 3,000 yards, you're gonna be out of a job. Completion percentages are way up too. It's a different era man, you're talking about apples and oranges. Also, if EJ Manuel wasn't playing the most conservative brand of QB'ing I've ever seen, he would have thrown a few more INT's himself. Edited October 13, 2013 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 It's such a different game now than it was in 1998 (let alone 1988). The game is so incredibly tailored to help the offensive players now that you simply don't see more than a few QB's throw more INT's than TD's in a season. Andrew Luck wasn't great through 5 games last season either. Indy was 2-3 while Luck had 7TDs and 7 INTs with a completion percentage of 53.4%. The difference is that the Colts let Luck go out there and chuck it. Unlike the other rookie QBs who got scaled back versions of their offense, Luck got the entire thing and they let him struggle and make mistakes. They weren't afraid of losing games and it helped develop his game quicker. As others have pointed out in other threads R. Wilson's numbers are very similar to EJ too and that's a better comparison because he got a scaled back version of their offense as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) Jim Kelly? or was the Manning guess correct? Edited October 13, 2013 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Andrew Luck wasn't great through 5 games last season either. Indy was 2-3 while Luck had 7TDs and 7 INTs with a completion percentage of 53.4%. The difference is that the Colts let Luck go out there and chuck it. Unlike the other rookie QBs who got scaled back versions of their offense, Luck got the entire thing and they let him struggle and make mistakes. They weren't afraid of losing games and it helped develop his game quicker. As others have pointed out in other threads R. Wilson's numbers are very similar to EJ too and that's a better comparison because he got a scaled back version of their offense as well. I agree with everything you say here. Read my entire post, I basically say the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markjaro Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 Yes, those are Peyton manning's first five games. I agree, you can't really make too much out of the stat lines this early on, but that was exactly my point to begin with. Great job by Thad Lewis today though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 What about the reverse? Are there any rookie QBs that came out of college and started straight away and had awesome starts then didnt cut it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 What about the reverse? Are there any rookie QBs that came out of college and started straight away and had awesome starts then didnt cut it? Bob Griffin could end up falling in that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 What about the reverse? Are there any rookie QBs that came out of college and started straight away and had awesome starts then didnt cut it? rg3 anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Hackett says Lewis learned a lot by helping him out in the booth during games. I wonder if EJ will be up with Hackett, picking his brain, watching defenses from a different perspective. Hanging out with Hackett could be instructional for EJ. Being on the field is the only place to be. In the game. Being in the booth is useless. Theres no positive spin on ej missing time. Correct me if im wrong but ej was also in booth after cleveland injury and he waz horrible in pitt game when he came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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